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Both of these characters were about redemption. Naruto recognized that they were trying to do what was right in the only way they knew how. It was Naruto's "way of the ninja" that inevitably showed them the error of their ways, and led to their redemption, and Naruto recognizing them as good people is the direct line by which they recognize their errors, and become redeemable. Quote:
I do agree that Kaguya seemed forced, and I don't have a response for that. I figured Madara would be the final enemy, and the introduction of Kaguya was strange. In hindsight, it was a story element introduced to allow the introduction of the SO6P, and all the story lines that came with him. I enjoyed those story lines, but I can understand if other people didn't. Quote:
I wouldn't say I like "safe and boring," but I like characters to act meaningfully. Characters doing things because it's a "cool twist," is interesting in the moment, but then becomes superfluous, because there's no reasonable way to progress their character from that point. Sasuke saves Naruto; is he a good guy now? A bad guy? Does he still want revenge? Making characters do things for no reason is sloppy storytelling. And, it's something that's been complained about many times, by many people, over the course of this story. It can't suddenly be okay at the end, if it's not okay in the middle or the beginning.
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2014-09-04, 21:52 | Link #63 | |
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but the kages are still next best. as far as strong ninjas go they are sort of the epitome of strength outside of the sages lineage so they just make sense to me. (ok I'm done anywho. tho the chapter was a lil soft, narutos farewell to his father was actually quite touching. almost feel really bad for the kid...
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2014-09-04, 22:39 | Link #64 | |
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2014-09-05, 06:14 | Link #67 |
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So, um, we just gonna ignore that Obito killed Neji, Shikamaru's dad and whole lot of other people that probably, maybe didn't deserve to have their faces blasted by biju-dama's?
And he gets to stalk Rin again...yay. Ugh!
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2014-09-05, 10:42 | Link #69 |
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Well, its pretty much up there with "washing away your sins in the Ganga river" tier of shit viewpoints then.
I would understand that reasoning if his goals were something I could rationalize. You know, ends justify means. But his ends were just deluded fantasies of a kid who couldn't let go and move on.
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2014-09-05, 17:33 | Link #72 | |
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2014-09-05, 19:00 | Link #73 | |
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He still genuinely believes his was the right path. Gotta respect that, even if he does entertain the idea of choosing a different path. Seriously though, those last words between Hashi and Madara gave me a Professor X and Magneto feel. And I loved how Naruto, typical of his character, spoke so much that no one else had a chance to get anything in. I'm sure Minato had more to say to Naruto, but it's more fitting, and better fits Naruto that those words will go unsaid. Naruto's done well enough without his parents, so they don't need to tell him anything.
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2014-09-05, 19:14 | Link #74 | |
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That you need to believe that nothing you did during your life was wrong so Hitler would get into heaven while all those who do good but die thinking they could have done more go to hell. yeah I'm twisted. |
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2014-09-05, 19:29 | Link #75 | |
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2014-09-05, 22:28 | Link #76 |
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just speaking for myself of course, naruto's reaction is a total slap in the face and way worse than the redemption, but i also dislike the redemption and how that was done with naruto mind raping obito. i think the story would have been much better if obito stayed bad and twisted until the end. a brief vader moment at the end showing a glimpse of humanity would have been fine
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2014-09-06, 03:23 | Link #77 | |
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Kishimoto has the habit of revealing the causes of some unlikely actions several chapters after the fact, i guess thats the primary reason of complaints. For example currently the anime we have an Obito vs Kakashi fight, and in the end Kakashi is wounding him mortally, almost cutting his heart. But later it will be revealed that Madara put a seal on his heart, so he chose this method of breaking the seal so that he can become the 10-tails host. But he just says to Kakashi "i let you win". Of course we complained back then that Kakashi should not be able to win a fight against Obito who had both MS and rinnegan eyes and hashirama's cells. But most of us didn't pay attention to that little remark by Obito, thinking that he is just talking nonsense as usual. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2014-09-06 at 03:34. |
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2014-09-06, 09:16 | Link #79 | ||
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and as far as naruto v nagato…naruto's growth at that time was to move beyond revenge. it wouldn't make much sense for him to revert to the cycle of hate at this point in the story imo Quote:
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