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View Poll Results: F/SN UBW TV - Episode 17 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 19 | 46.34% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 16 | 39.02% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 3 | 7.32% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 7.32% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2015-05-02, 22:41 | Link #61 | ||
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Apparently he was able to do it enough to take off 5-6 of his lives. Likely without even using UBW. And while confined in a building, which is obviously the worst place for him to fight. |
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2015-05-02, 22:45 | Link #62 | |
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Also, what's the VN reason that Lancer uses the ranged version of GB on Archer instead of just stabbing him with the melee version? Anime made it seems like Archer will just keep out of range but it seems like Lancer can get in close pretty easily once he's serious. |
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2015-05-02, 22:45 | Link #63 | ||
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In Fate Stay Route he was able to slay Berserker 7-8 times with the UBW. Quote:
I still stand by the fact that Archer/Shirou are the perfect or at the very least the natural counter to Gil in that the UBW levels the playing field between the two. As someone posted above that's pretty much the case stated. |
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2015-05-02, 22:47 | Link #64 |
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I get the feeling that, VN-wise, Archer relied on means other than Broken Phantasms, and likely used some of Gilgamesh's tactics after he deployed Unlimited Blade Works. We know that Berserker can tank a BP!Caladbolg shot with ease, and that's already A-rank. If he used that outside of UBW, the whole manor would've gone up in smoke, and Shirou and the others would've noticed it, given that they were still within the confines of the bounded field by the time Archer fell in battle.
As it stands, though, our only real reference to how he could've accomplished it came from the DEEN adaptation. Well, actually, canonically he airplanes and submarines--his GoB effectively auto-updates on new inventions and such because as the King of Heroes, he's entitled to pretty much anything of human making. So yeah. Throwing out ICBMs and Tomahawk missiles is not out of the question when it comes to the Gate of Babylon.
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2015-05-02, 22:58 | Link #66 | |
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2015-05-02, 23:18 | Link #69 | |
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If we go by the original VN alone though, then yeah, UBW should be the perfect counter.
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2015-05-02, 23:30 | Link #70 |
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Irish mythology is less well-known than Greek mythology. Plenty of people are still treating Cu Chulainn namedrop as his identity reveal in this episode despite him yelling Gae Bolg and Saber making it clear he's "Ireland's Child of Light" (thus someone intended to be identified a that point).
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2015-05-02, 23:47 | Link #71 | |
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The inverse also falls flat. If he were Fergus mac Róich, how would he have encountered Ajax, the bearer of Rho Aias? Why would he have a connection to that shield? Archer is a Heroic Spirit who has three Noble Phantasms, none of which are connected to one another: the Chinese Married Blades, Kanshou and Bakuya, the Irish Caladbolg, and the Grecian Rho Aias. Theories that he's from one set of mythologies become suspect when one considers that he has Noble Phantasms of other mythological origin.
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2015-05-02, 23:51 | Link #72 |
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Um, context. That was my response to bakato, who claimed serious Gil would only have a real advantage because of Ea, which is wrong. That whole "Gil underestimating people" was also just in theory, not necessarily realistic, because bakato didn't specify at first whether that is a factor that can be ignored.
I don't think he only used Broken Phantasms. I'm not a fan of speculating how that fight went, but Archer could do more than BPs and it was noted that he used six different methods, though that admittedly doesn't say much. Last edited by Lorhand; 2015-05-03 at 00:02. |
2015-05-03, 00:02 | Link #73 |
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Word of God should be taken with a grain of salt. If you have to go to side material to justify the canon, it's really flimsy. Gilgamesh could defeat Shirou with Ea if he pulls it out and uses its full potential every time. Gilgamesh doesn't do that against anyone really so in the end, he gets hard countered by Shirou and especially Archer and loses.
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2015-05-03, 01:16 | Link #74 |
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This episode is really paced and set up poorly.
-Lancer was supposed to gradually ramping up his offense until it overwhelm Archer's defense. -Rin was actually racing around the church while defending against Caster's casual attack. -Rin was supposed to make her final move when caster going for the kill, and she should have been pummeling Caster to prevent her from retaliating. -The Shirou vs Kuzuki scene seemed to be shuffled and repeated -Kuzuki's reinforcement buff disappearing should have been given more attention, and it was suppose to demonstrate how futile his actions (and how much slower he is without the buff) were when Archer didn't even bother dodging Kuzuki's strike on his head (Servant's are immune to non-magic attacks) -The scene where Saber saves Shirou from Archer by tackling him wasn't made clear. -Not to mention, there was too many openings in the action scenes inside the church, to the point where it plays out like a turn-based combat. They don't have to animate the action all the time, but they could have placed the scene much better (such as pacing some of the explanation during the time compression moment) |
2015-05-03, 01:22 | Link #75 |
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I love it how you're complaining about an incomplete episode. I also love how you're making direct comparisons to the VN without any spoilers, which you know the mods will ban you for.
I don't get why people are having issue with the tackle. It was pretty clear to me that Saber tackled him out of the way, given how they were off the bloody pedestal when the swords hit, when just a frame or two before they had been on the pedestal.
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2015-05-03, 01:33 | Link #77 |
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Yeah, my bad. Spent too much time in the DxD forums when people are making a lot of unmarked spoilers and got a little too used to that disaster-in-the-making. Doesn't help that the mods made me paranoid about what can be said in the forums when it comes to comparisons.
Still, you're remarking a lot on things that may be filled when the BDs come out. Judging that much seems a little premature, all things considered. I mean hell, a previous episode has a whole seven minutes missing from it. God knows how much is missing from this one.
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2015-05-03, 01:56 | Link #78 | |
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(and yeah, there are still BD releases if they did cut something from TV version) |
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