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View Poll Results: F/SN UBW TV - Episode 22 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 8 | 25.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 4 | 12.50% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 9 | 28.13% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 9 | 28.13% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 6.25% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2015-06-07, 02:57 | Link #61 | |
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Though I guess someone only need to point out Prisma Ilya to prove the point of erotic bathing.
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2015-06-07, 03:26 | Link #62 |
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I have a question.
Did Kirei have the Magic Crest of the Tohsakas? Or did he transplant it from Tokiomi's corpse? And can't Rin take the Crest back after Shirou is done using it? People who are blaming Ufotable for something that the source material also had are ridiculous. If there's someone to blame, it's the person whose idea was the transplant thing. And I think I read somewhere that Nasu confirmed RN version to be canon? |
2015-06-07, 03:30 | Link #63 | ||
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2015-06-07, 03:37 | Link #65 | |
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Well, she's a genius, so she shouldn't have any problems. Touko also didn't get the crest and she is awesome in everything. It's just her descendants will have to start anew, if they intend to become magi (and Rin receiving the crest, and not Sakura, was part of the reason why Tokiomi gave one child away for adoption, so yeah...). Starting from scratch doesn't really sound like a good idea, if the alternative is having sex with the person you love. |
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2015-06-07, 03:42 | Link #66 | |
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So, now that Rin doesn't have this, how does it affect her power as a Mage? |
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2015-06-07, 05:07 | Link #67 |
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This was a good episode IMO. We needed a cool down before the final battle, especially after all the action beforehand. I think when its released as a DVD/Blu Ray or if people are watching it in blocks after its aired then it will feel very well placed.
The only criticism I have is about the "sex scene". I agree with others who have said that it would be better if it were cut out entirely (it doesn't work, even symbolically) and if they were to have sex, it should be because they care about each other / want to do so. The idea of "mana transfer" is grotty no matter how you work it, it has the connotations of a juvenile gag and has the subtext of "we have to have sex" which isn't good. The way Rin and Shirou were interacting and Rins decision to sacrifice her crest (which I assume means she has sacrificed her position as a Mage?) was well written and developed their relationship nicely. Rin actually had quite a few sweet moments and the flashback to her memories was very well done. I'm surprised that people are saying them having sex can't/wouldn't be done because they are minors though, they aren't *that* young are they? How old are they? (I've assumed them to be about 16/17 as they are high schoolers). We've had characters that are supposed to be their ages have sex in regular TV shows in the UK before. As long as its tasteful it shouldn't be a problem. I thought Japan was more relaxed than us where this stuff is concerened. Last edited by Fizix; 2015-06-07 at 05:29. Reason: Damn my grammar is terrible today, I blame the heat. |
2015-06-07, 05:49 | Link #68 | |
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The only censored scene in the VN that was left vague enough for there to be a "hidden" sex scene is the last one from Heaven's Feel.
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2015-06-07, 05:51 | Link #69 |
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Officially speaking, everyone is 18. Shirou's 18, Rin's 18, Illya's 18, Sakura, who is rather directly implied, though never outright stated, to be one year younger than Shirou and Rin, is 18. Otherwise, the original VN would technically break Japanese law or something...
Realistically speaking though, I don't think we have a precise statement of how old everyone is, but we know at least that Illya is 18, and we know she is slightly older than Shirou. Shirou is stated to be in Class 2-C in the extra material, and Year 2 of High School in Japan is 16 going on 17. Rin is in the same year as Shirou, and we know her birthday is February 3rd, so she actually turns 17 during the story. Aside from those three, Sakura is a year younger than her sister, so she would be 15 going on 16. Her birthday is March 2nd, so she would turn 16 a couple weeks after the end of the story. I don't know how old King Arthur was supposed to be before he died, but from what I know of Medieval Europe, I suspect Saber would be in her 40s (of course, she stopped aging when she was around 15~, iirc) |
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1. Do the crest thing without the sexual undertones. 2. Rin and Shirou have sex without the "mana transfer" thing making it tacky. Split the two elements so while they both happen, they are distinct from each other. The former works just fine if they want it to be completely clean and the latter is fine as they are both above the age of consent in Japan and most Western countries. So provided they do it appropriately it shouldn't be a problem. The crest thing with sexual undertones and the stupid "dolphins" which are obviously alluding to sperm are so much worse than the alternatives. It was really cringeworthy, but it didn't need to be. |
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2015-06-07, 08:45 | Link #72 | |
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2015-06-07, 08:58 | Link #73 | |
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I calculated/estimated King Arthur to be around 56 at age of death. But supposedly, Nasu condensed Arthur's timeline so it's about 10% as long as it was in real lore, which is stupid as hell and doesn't make any sense, so I'm sticking with Saber being about 56 in a 14 year old's body. |
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2015-06-07, 09:10 | Link #74 | ||
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2015-06-07, 09:21 | Link #75 |
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What's weirder is that I thought she was a grown woman in her 20's, at the very least. You sure about that though? She looks, speaks and acts nothing like a 14 year old. Anime and ages are always odd though. I guess it's because they think teenagers in Japan can only relate to other teens in fiction.
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2015-06-07, 10:07 | Link #79 |
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It's said that if Gilgamesh had had his armor on, Shirou wouldn't have been able to cut off his arm, since Gil's armor is apparently uber tough and resistant.
So yeah, we won't be seeing the fully golden king in this route, which I agree is a shame and I already found disappointing in the VN, especially since it seems completely arbitrary that he puts it on in Fate but not in UBW. |
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