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Second, Obama's plan does have certain merits, as most folks who stay does generate/grow the economy. They aren't here for the Welfare rolls as some in the GOP claims. Because if you don't have a legal social security number you aren't qualified for any benefits. Obama has two good reasons to grant them legal status. First, if they are legal, they pay taxes into the system rather than live in a black economy. Which both 1) Increase crime 2) subject people to exploitation. Second reason: He get more voters that way. We already saw that with the Latino voters that crushed Mittens "I will self deport them" Romney. If he can grant the same for asian Immigrants, (A potential GOP bloc since they are usually socially conservative and pro business), he will deny GOP inroad in that direction. ---------------------- RE: Your second question why people still risk coming here. First, see my post above for non economic reasons. Economically, Is a case of the U.S Dollar. A Dollar is worth X pesos or Y Yuan, so a Chinese or Latino can earn a small/decent wage here that translate into a larger gain when they get home , so once the dollar get weak enough, immigration will also stop. |
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2013-02-18, 20:40 | Link #63 |
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This is the wrong question to be asking. Thus far nobody said it was bad here. However, if you're going to say that this is "the greatest nation on Earth" or "the last bastion of hope and freedom," you may want to ask yourself why there are citizens and legal immigrants who voluntarily leave the country.
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2013-02-18, 20:56 | Link #64 | |
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My friend Urzu betrayed me and got the mods to change the thread's name without my input. I will never love again. I won't weigh in on the illegal immigration issue, but I do wish the process of legally becoming a citizen would become easier. Talk about a pain in the rear. |
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2013-02-18, 21:09 | Link #65 | |
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Mississippi...
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And written in Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirtee...s_Constitution Mississippi did vote to ratify it... back in 1995. But failed to file it to the US Archivist. That's either intentional... or sheer incompetence. I say both. Gotta keep those Confederate dreams alive, y'know.
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2013-02-18, 23:06 | Link #67 | |
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It's indeed embarrassing, but since slavery is banned on the federal level, it doesn't really matter what Mississippi's law says |
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2013-02-18, 23:45 | Link #68 |
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I guess than here is the best place to post this link:
Can the Republicans Be Saved From Obsolescence? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/ma...olescence.html
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2013-02-19, 02:02 | Link #69 | |
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2013-02-19, 05:30 | Link #73 | |
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Back in the Cold War America was proud that people want to become citizens. It makes them look better than the Soviets. Now it is all about tall electric fences. And many still have the old dream of the Land of Opportunity propaganda. They won't know what it is really like until they arrive. That's why I say it is important to assess net flow of immigrants instead of just counting the arrivals. If people are leaving as fast as they are arriving, it means their expectations were not met.
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2013-02-19, 06:53 | Link #75 |
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Immigrants didn't mind voting for the old Republican party. They were less extreme back then.
But now? The GOP has given up. I mean, increase immigration should NOT mean increase in democrat votes over the GOP. Not if the GOP did their jobs and make their party viable for immigrants. So to try and restrict immigration to weaken Obama is the wrong way to do things. Right now, GOP thinks of immigrants as the enemy. And that becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
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2013-02-19, 09:24 | Link #76 |
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Just a historical note. The reason the US immigration policy is so harsh is because of the massive influx of immigrants during the early 1900's. My family is an example of this, having come from Ireland before the Depression. And yes, immigration prejudice applied even then. Not only among "real" Americans, but among the different ethnic groups as well. Irish need not apply and all that.
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2013-02-19, 10:25 | Link #77 |
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Mhh, Dick Cheney should have already died due to hearth illnes, so modern medical science might prolong their lives beyond the 20 years the article mentions young republicans expect to wait to seize the reigns of the GOP.
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