2012-10-25, 21:20 | Link #62 | |
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2012-10-25, 22:40 | Link #63 | ||
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on a side note, i'm hoping there isn't a bottomless pit technique that obito throws madara into while he's using a lightning technique to torture naruto... |
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2012-10-25, 23:08 | Link #65 | |
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Yeah but in Bleach it typically happens after the villain dies and it feels shoe-horned in. At least Kishimoto, for the most part (ignoring the numerous times Itachi has been rewritten), works in the conflict and ‘character development’ during the fight. I would say we just endured part of that. We are supposed to feel sorry for Obito in the end because his backstory will somehow conflict with some information leaked either by Madara or Kakashi (prehaps undead Rin) during these next few chapters and it will change his character into a more sympathetic–tragic type. He will either go insane or turn on Madara—but it will probably be the latter. Kishimoto has done this many, many times, as James pointed out.
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2012-10-25, 23:44 | Link #66 | |
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(Have I forgotten any villain with an extensive flashback? I honestly do not remember any more...) |
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2012-10-26, 00:47 | Link #67 | |
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but for obito, there is a 70% chance (at the very least) that he would be redeemed. unlike kabuto who really had nothing save for the ones that were taken from him, obito still has kakashi who did/does care for him despite what obito has made himself believe. like naruto who aims to save sasuke, kakashi will try to save his friend as well.
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2012-10-26, 00:47 | Link #68 |
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can you imagine a bad guy who died and nothing was explained in a back story? it would be chaos. People would complain so much about how nothing was explained and since the bad guy is dead, his side of the story is lost.
so we need a back story, even if it doesn't match up with things established.
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2012-10-26, 05:30 | Link #71 |
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Obito might be the only one who can defeat Madara. He can send him to his other dimension and keep him locked away there for good. Meanwhile, now that he knows Edo Tensei, he can bring back Rin and live happily with her forever (hopefully he can figure out how to let her age appropriately) without having to use the Moon Eye technique. Bam! Redemption.
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2012-10-26, 09:59 | Link #74 | |
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^ Tenten had the fan. It was taken away by Kumo ninja.
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This was a case of Kishi not wanting you to feel sympathetic or give you reasons for their behavior as villains. They killed Asuma and ticked off Shikamaru. That was all that mattered to their characters. They were presented as monsters, albeit funny ones, and left the manga as monsters. When Kakuzu came back as a zombie, he was given no closure like Sasori or Zabuza, and only existed to taunt and then give exposition to Team 10. I actually wouldn't have minded more villains like those two. Villains who were simply plot devices and whose only role was to be evil puppy kicking jerks with no back story. Not neutral or even good-natured characters who went down a dark road because of some sob story that has to be explained in a long flashback. Last edited by Ulquiorra; 2012-10-26 at 10:17. |
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2012-10-26, 12:41 | Link #75 |
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Well, there were those two hack bullies who had kidnapped Inari's mom from the Zabuza arc...and Gato, from the same arc. Also the pajama mist ninja in the forest of death, the sound five and most recently, Kisame.
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2012-10-26, 12:58 | Link #76 |
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Kisame's back story was shown during the Gai fight. He became disillusioned with the Kiri ninja system where killing your comrades to advance was accepted. And then bought into Obito's "truth" about the world. Kimimaro was given a sob story flashback in the anime. The other sound ninja were textbook plot device villains. And they were very effective villains. Fans still fondly remember Tayuya, Sakon, and Kidomaru even without a classic Kishimoto sympathetic back story told in a flashback.
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it is true that a backstory makes them more sympathetic and a long backstory increases the chances of them being redeemed, but like i said, that's pretty obvious stuff and shouldn't really be a surprise or frowned upon |
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2012-10-26, 13:24 | Link #78 | |||
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(Plus many thought she was a potential Uzumaki based on the anime depiction of her hair colour.) Quote:
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That being said, I do not expect any flashbacks from Madara. Kishimoto will have already abused the technique extensively this year, so adding yet more flashbacks would be simply annoying. Last edited by james0246; 2012-10-26 at 13:35. |
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