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10 out of 10: Near Perfect... | 1 | 2.86% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 2 | 5.71% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 9 | 25.71% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 11 | 31.43% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 3 | 8.57% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 4 | 11.43% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 2 | 5.71% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10: Torturous... | 3 | 8.57% | |
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2012-08-05, 20:48 | Link #62 |
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So, Second Moon came to Earth, and people never bothered to think, why if the ycould this all along, did it take Ezelcant 70 effin years to do so? So many lives could have been saved, hell it's not like the Federation could've done anything to them before Flit built the DODS rifles...Knowing Zeheart he won't even question it, clearly Ezelcant-sama could never be wrong...
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2012-08-05, 20:49 | Link #63 | ||
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2012-08-05, 21:12 | Link #64 |
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I really wonder what Zeheart was thinking taking that hit. I mean this person is trying to kill all of you. Let the Super Pilot do his thing. I mean geeze that lance has been next to useless let it kill some people . No matter how sorry he felt for her, she had to go down. Only ended up getting his own unit busted up and she was shot down anyways. Maybe doing it so Asemu wouldn't do something negative in Kio's eyes or something.
No surprise that Flit got the job done. A few similarities to Girard at least when it comes to their losses creating that need to defeat the other side. Made sure that crazy woman wasn't going to get any of them killed. Was kind of nice to have all the Gundams out fighting. Though when it comes to Kio he was doing more whining than fighting. In the end have to agree if he did ass kicking while constantly complaining at his enemies maybe people would care to listen to him. Plus what's even the point of grieving for Girard? In the end he knew absolutely nothing about her other than the fact that she wanted to kill him. A tragic person, but she was absolutely insane. This kid is going to be a pain to endure.
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2012-08-05, 22:16 | Link #65 | ||
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Who has justified genocide now? Again Flit has done no such thing and accusing him now of committing genocide would be accusing him of thought crime. Ezelcant and the Vagan miltary on the other hand CAN be accused of genocide but we never see you have a go at them, so if anything it is you who thinks that actually committing genocide is ok but merely thinking about it is the big no no. So who's got the bigger issue of whitewashing? All signs shows that it's you.
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2012-08-05, 23:09 | Link #66 | |||
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2012-08-05, 23:33 | Link #67 | |||
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In any case he really doesn't need to even if he was serious about it. The Vagans are giving the Federation more than enough reason that they cannot be reasoned with. The fact that the Federation offered them a truce/peace treaty and was rejected (because Ezcelant is not interested in it) would show the public that peace isn't possible. Quote:
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War's always been ugly. There's plenty of memoirs, books, etc. about hundreds of battles where generals would do whatever it took to win a battle by destroying as much of the enemy as possible. Our point being is that it's ridiculous for you to single out Flit when his actions are in line with what everyone else has done in past Gundam series and even in this show. When the Vagans lost their battles, the Federation soldiers still fired on them as they ran away and yet you never said a thing. Hell a Clanche took a pot shot at a disabled Vagan suit and you never said anything about it. As Kaoshin said, the second you step onto the battlefield all bets are off. The enemy won't give you a second chance. What happened here was that Flit was not willing to let Zeheart go because he's the main commander and it's standard warfare practice to cut off the head. He only stood down because Kio told him to as he later realizes there was a ceasefire in effect. If he was as crazy as you implied he would've thrown Kio off and still have gone after Zeheart and THEN you would have a case. |
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2012-08-05, 23:35 | Link #68 | |
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Soldiers are allowed to shoot a retreating enemy. Except during a ceasefire. It is civilians that are not allowed to shoot people who are retreating. As civilians are only allowed self defense. |
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2012-08-05, 23:37 | Link #69 |
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No one is giving Flit enough credit, if it wasn't for Flit, Earth sphere would be under vagan's control long ago and countless more innocents would die because of that...
Besides, have we ever see Flit doing anything close to genocide? He is just expressing his hate of vagan everytime we see him... He even tried to make peace to vagan in the first place after the first arc but got rejected outright |
2012-08-05, 23:39 | Link #70 | |
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Are you talking about the 2nd Arc? Because I'm pretty sure Flit was not in charge of diplomacy there. |
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2012-08-06, 00:20 | Link #72 | |
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Then it all came to Seric's skill. He intimidated the Vegans with the Plasma Diver missile if they don't surrender. If they lost the base it become a viable military target as it would be used as a Vegan staging ground and beachead. |
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2012-08-06, 00:35 | Link #73 | |
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Zeheart is probably higher ranked than the vagan who accepted the deal so it's like whatever lol I suppose Flit should'ved warned them b4 shooting them. |
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2012-08-06, 00:43 | Link #74 | |
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Terrorists are a different type of enemy, they shoot at medics, and use underhanded tactics. In WWII that wasn't the case, it was easier to relate with the enemy and show some compassion when they were helpless than with people who use children as human shields, don't have uniforms and try to kill you with ieds, or shoot you in the back.
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2012-08-06, 00:46 | Link #75 | |
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The one who did well was Aaron Simmons. He was so afraid the Vegans would kill him if he stayed at the Fed side that he defected. He still gets killed by the Vagans. Karma got to him for being a self serving idiot. Too bad Spriggan died without knowing Simmons played her. He sabotaged the test an set up Spriggan as an offering to the Vagans. That recording use to convince her likely a forgery. |
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2012-08-06, 00:55 | Link #77 |
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It seemed like Flit was counting on Algreus' plan not working and then having to resort to the Plasma Diver Missile anyway, which is why he said "I'll leave the final decision to you". He knew Algreus would've had no choice but to fire it. To think that he always intended Seric to work his magic like that is quite silly. That was an unexpected outcome. Unlike Seric, who wanted to minimize casualties even if they are enmies, Flit just wanted to shoot it and be done with it. EXTERMINATE THE VAGANS AT ALL COSTS!
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2012-08-06, 01:21 | Link #78 | |||
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I call shame on you for defending the shit the Vagan military and Ezelcant is doing to the civilian population first - hate speech is nothing compared to the actions of what those guys are actually DOING. Fix this double standard of yours before trying to accuse others of doing shameful acts. Quote:
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I've just shown the facts that Flit is not the first nor the lowest as you claim he was, the rest is irrelevant. Trying to make it out like Amuro and others had reasons which Flit did not doesn't makes you look any better or wiser either. In fact in terms of military tactic Flit had way more justification in targeting Zeheart, the field commander, than Amuro for shooting at a grunt, but you'll just ignore that too. Also funny you think war had honour back then, seriously you are really deluded and should take your own advice of not trusting the movies or war novels. If anything war today is more honourable than before when you see the types of horrific weapons humans made. Just take for instance the banning of some usage of land mines, or the banning of use of cluster and incendiary bombs etc. We've also learnt that targeting civilians is wrong, which for some reason the Vagan's never learnt and you keep glossing over in favour of attacking, in comparison, mere hate speech. Priorities people.
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This hole is actually pretty comfy.
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