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2008-11-20, 13:02 | Link #66 |
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OK you are correct I just haven't watch Chars's counterattack in a while. I think that is do to the in introduction to the moving frame technology. Mobile suit made before 0083 used heavy ballistic armor which are immune to small caliber weapons below 75 mm. With moving frame setup most of the armor has been removed except around the cockpit, reactor and joints. The reason for the adoption of moving frame tech was the large scale introduction of compact beam weapons.
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2008-11-21, 11:07 | Link #68 |
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Vulcan head guns dont work on mobile suits
Justavisitor comment was that if Zion mobile suits in the one year war had been equipped with head Vulcan/Gatling gun that the Zion would have won the war long ago. Justavisitor had stated Amuro Rey had won his first MS vs MS battle using head Vulcan guns. I replied that he was mistaken that Amuro had used a beam saber to destroy his first Zaku and the Vulcan guns he fired did nothing to the Zaku other than distracting it. I was mistaken by stating that Hathaway Noah destroying his first MS was a miracle because I had not watched Chars counter attack for like a year, and other that Amuro and Hathaway who are both New Types have been the only people who have ever destroyed another mobile suit with a head Vulcan in combat. If I am wrong because i have not seen zeta gundam or gundamX their may have been situations were mobile suit pilots may have destroyed other mobile suits in combat please tell me.
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2008-11-21, 11:19 | Link #69 |
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I only said Amuro used vulcan guns to fend off Zaku...not destroyed...Amuro used vulcan guns to keep Zaku away so his gundam could stand up and fight. This is a good example actually of showing how vulcan guns could save the day. If the armour at that time can really withstand those bullet, then Zaku would not back off, then Amuro would not have a chance to make his gundam stand up and pull out the beam saber XD.
Plus, Zaku can use vulcan to destroy balls at least....and seriously damaging GM seems possible. Vulcan should be a really simple and standard weapon....I mean what's the harm of installing it?
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a few more bead balls would not have stopet the Fedes
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You just proved my point the Fed sacrificed hundreds to destroy the Zion forces equipping small caliber Vulcan to Zaku's would not have made any difference in the out come of the war. |
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Justavisitor and I have been having a running debate about if the Zion had equipped the Zaku with head mounted Vulcan guns it would have changed the outcome of the one year war. Justavisitor believes it would have won the war for Zion I don't. |
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With the GMs sporting Beam Spray guns... I don't see how equipping a Zaku with a head vulcan is going to make any difference. Gundams aside, head vulcans are mere fall-back weapons used when you're retreating or getting out of trouble.
Moreover, I don't think they'll be able to fit enough ammo into the Zaku's dome head, given it's size.
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Kampfler (sp) from 0080 is the only zeon ms that has the vulcan gun XD
vulcan gun can be useful in many situation, let me use one example: imagine you are a pilot of Dom in space and you have 5 rounds bazooka left....then you see a single ball in mid-range, would you waste that bazooka just for the ball? or use bazooka to take out more GM? If you let the ball pass, the ball may end up destroying something important.... If you have vulcan gun on Dom, then you can use vulcan gun to take out the ball and continue proceed your mission. Sounds more and more like I am the advertiser for vulcan gun XD...just expressing my opinion Edit: of course, I am assumnig the vulcan gun can defeat the ball....While the head Vulcan can only carry a limited amount of ammunition, but when you have hundreds of Mses that have the head vulcan, all of a sudden, your side will have a bit more firepower...
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@Ravnen
Bright's son steal a mass-produce EF ms and kill a neo-zeon ms by using vulcan gun (it's also his very first ms-kill XD) @StratoSpear I don't know if you are responding to my Dom's example. If it is, then Dom doesn't have heat hawks, Dom has heated sabers XD. Those hawks or sabers are only for very close range. I would say the range of vulcan gun is a bit further than hand-combat weapon Well, very busy these days and I won't be able to participate the vulcan-gun debate for the rest of november, best of luck to you all!!
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