2012-03-08, 10:22 | Link #61 |
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Technically, he used the EMS in conjunction with the Rinnegan to drop 2 meteors on the Kages (Susano'o formed the seals required to summon the large rocks).
Additionally, Madara never took a blow from Tsunade that would have destroyed him. Besides breaking Susano'o, Tsunade never dealt any significant damage to Madara. |
2012-03-08, 10:47 | Link #62 |
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This depends on whether the Mokuton clone was substituted in before or after her punch, I suppose. Either way, he still took a Jinton beam to the chest and his own meteor to the everything, both of which he was only able to recover from as a result of the Edo Tensei regeneration. He's definitely been making good use of it.
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There is nothing disingenuous in stating that Madara hasn't used all his abilities when it's a blatant fact. Since the 5 Kages have arrived, Madara has only used initial stage of Susanoo, Mokuton and a few Katon. No Genjutsu or higher MS jutsu, no EMS and no Rinnengan jutsu. He also took no damage from Tsunade, she fell for his clone and was gutted. What is however disingenuous is claiming that he would have been "curbstomped in a matter of seconds" against Oonoki+Gaara+Naruto's clone+ fodder army because he used a Rinnengan jutsu at his disposal. It's as disingenuous as claiming that he couldn't fight the Kage without Mokuton because he's using it against them now. If he hadn't those power then he would use something else is all. We have at this point 3 main battles going on simultaneously, all three with Doujutsu users, all three must have a different taste. MS and EMS's power will be showcased with Itachi and Sasuke, Rinnengan's regular jutsu will probably be showcased by Tobi and Madara is showing off Mokuton. edit : Quote:
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2012-03-08, 11:32 | Link #65 | |
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I agree though, Kishimoto doesn't seem to have much imagination when it comes to fire attacks. It's all fireball and bigger fireball. |
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2012-03-08, 11:39 | Link #66 |
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We've seen some subtle indications of the 3rd's power though.
In the Yondaime flashback inside Naruto's mind, the 3rd had deflected more than one chakra blast from the Nine-tails. At this point he was already old and it was taking a toll, but who else in the village could even come close to doing that beside Yondaime? |
2012-03-08, 11:42 | Link #67 | |
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But generally yes, it is just fire balls and fire streams. I get that when all fire jutsu apparently are released from the mouth, it can be hard to come up with variations, but still. I mean, just off the top of my head, he could give Madara an attack where he spits out tiny embers over different locations, and if one of the kage accidentally nears it or steps on it, it bursts into a giant flame pillar. Just something different like that. |
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I'm sure Madara was probably much more fearsome when he could control the Nine Tails, and Hashirama provided the perfect counter to that with his Mokuton abilities. But without it, he is definitely not the superior god-being he makes himself out to be, and it has been shown that he would have been taken out rather quickly by a couple of worn out Kages and a Naruto clone if not for the supplemental abilities he has in this form. Quote:
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And all the while you wave away the fact he has the complete upper hand against the 5 Kages fighting together with nothing but Susanoo and Mokuton (ie those power of old he's talking about) because he showed that he also had Rinnengan power prior to the arrival of A, Tsunade and Mei. Quote:
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That's what you don't seem to understand since the beginning really. You act as if Madara can only answer to an attack the way he chose to do it. It's a fallacy, the fact that he chose to protect against an attack with the Preta Path ability doesn't mean he had no conceivable way of doing the same with another of his numerous power. |
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2012-03-08, 13:44 | Link #70 |
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i liked how kish tried to scare us into thinking tsunade actually had a chance in hell of beating madara. and a new forbidden unseen jutsu from her is not gonna cut it. and trust me we know forbidden jutsu have a heavy price, (Her life). and after all the will of talk, i guess it doesnt work on kabuto created edo-tensei huh. the fact is kishi is setting up the forgiveness of sasuke. the uchiha bros will somehow save everyone by taking down kabuto and thus madara, the word will get out and operation save sasuke will be completed. tsunade defeating madara YEAH RIGHT.
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[quote]What come with higher level is more potency and defense and potentially use of other MS powers like Genjutsu bottle for Itachi and Amaterasu's ball for Sasuke. And no, Madara has done nothing with Susanoo we haven't seen from both Itachi and Susanoo (except materializing its legs which played no part in the battle).[/quote The genjutsu bottle was part of the sword Itachi's Susano'o only manifests in its armored state. Same applies to the Amaterasu sword for Sasuke. Quote:
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Either way, since you've lowered yourself to the level of making up things to argue with (when did I say anything about Dan, Kabuto, or the author, let alone criticisms as specific as the ones you pretended I made?), I'm done with having this discussion with you. It's impossible to have a conversation with someone willing to pretend I say things I don't. Last edited by Discerptor; 2012-03-08 at 14:18. |
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Also, could that meteor be the "new technique" that comes with the EMS Itachi was talking about? It does require hand seals from the Susano'o. It would be interesting what Naruto has to answer to that cataclysmic spell. |
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That being said, a Bijuu-Dama can probably destroy those giant rocks. |
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2012-03-08, 15:04 | Link #76 | |
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You did say you refused to listen to Oonoki's words because he was too young (which is outright making things up) and you did say that only him really knew of Madara of old which imply that you refuse to listen what the rest of the cast said about their level of power because they don't know what they talk about just as your whole point is about Madara unjustly boasting about Hashirama and his strength whereas he shoudn't. The only part I "made up" is when I sarcastically said the author had to be mistaken but then that's only taking your argument to its (il)logical conclusion. Quote:
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But hey, considering there is no cloth left behind Madara's left arm I think he might have lost it too which is indeed a more important wound if its the case. Quote:
And once again, you have no basis to claim Pretta path power was the only possible way to deflect the attack. Nearly all his defensive abilities can be used without the use of handseals. Quote:
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2012-03-08, 15:54 | Link #78 | |
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In the end she will be saved by Itachi or someone else, but in these 1 or 2 chapters she is the hero who is placed in the spotlight. These are her 15 minutes of glory in this war. |
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2012-03-08, 17:35 | Link #79 | |
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Basically, when Kyuubi started to charge up the bijuu dama while Yondaime was away, the 3rd was going "Not again..." before slumping. I took this to imply that he was already wasted from stopping an earlier one. As for Madara, at the very least, we know he was forced to use Rinnegan since he himself went "this is a bit too much". |
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