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View Poll Results: Shin Sekai Yori - Episode 10 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 30 | 44.12% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 18 | 26.47% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 14 | 20.59% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 7.35% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 1.47% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 68. You may not vote on this poll |
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2012-12-01, 12:54 | Link #61 | |
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if we are talking about animation the episode was very good, a lot better than average |
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2012-12-01, 13:20 | Link #63 | ||
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There you go people all the proof you need. They really did love each other and never got a chance to address their feelings. Quote:
Sure they weren't star crossed lover but they did indeed love each other. Just because we didn't see them all over one another doesn't mean nothing was there and hinted at for a long time. Yes he is
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2012-12-01, 14:45 | Link #64 |
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I wish the show wouldn't swap styles like this. I can't help but find it distracting. It'd be like trying to read Blade of the Immortal except every other chapter is randomly drawn like it's Akagi, FMA, Bleach, and Biomega.
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As for the sincerity of Shun's love for Saki, I don't think I ever questioned that. I would even give him the benefit of the doubt and say that his love for Saki was closer to actual love than Saki's for him which was more of a crush. Quote:
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2) begs the question of whether or not Satoru suggested to take a break thanks to nightfall because he was concerned about Saki. I was under that impression but make of it what you will. It's not as though Saki didn't agree either. I can't say for certain because it didn't happen but I would like to believe that Satoru would sneak out to reach out to Shun as well had he been told what Maria told Saki after they decided to discontinue their search for Shun for the day. 3) was shown in the anime. She thought of him twice. It was evident that she had a crush on Shun, but neither of those scenes present anything to suggest that she truly understood Shun. If anything, her mental image of Shun was clearly an idealized version during that adventure. 4) is grasping for straws. The entirety of interaction between Shun and Saki was 10 minute long. Saki was clearly in a daze. Shun was very stressed and distracted as well. Why on earth would they start talking about Satoru? Shun wouldn't have mentioned Subaru had Subaru not come there himself either. Shun wouldn't have bid Saki farewell had Saki not reached out to him either. I think you are being very critical of their characters if you wish to imply that they don't care for their friends based of a stressful 10 min long conversation. Saki obviously bid Maria and Satoru farewell just prior to coming to Shun and Shun had told Saki to tell the whole group to beware. They both obviously cared for their friends. Quote:
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Also, I think that the anime glossed over a lot of detail. For instance, their relationships with Satoru was sidelined a tad bit too much. I was even under the impression that Saki found Satoru annoying early on, which was apparently completely wrong because they were apparently very good friends. I don't know if I want to trust the narrative of this anime when it comes to people's relationships, really. Quote:
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2012-12-01, 15:49 | Link #66 | |
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What is true love anyway? I'm pretty sure everyone has their own personal take on this so it's a pretty irrelevant point in general. The fact is that Saki and Shun loved a each other, since they said as much (well, in the case of Saki it's her internal monologue that the anime skipped over, but her actions speak for themselves). That's all you need to know to understand why this is such a blow for Saki, and for anyone who can empathize with her. That's all there is to it now, since Shun is out of the game.
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2012-12-01, 16:43 | Link #67 |
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I don't have anything against Casshern Sins art style. I actually like it. But I can't agree that in this ep it completely changed the art. The art feeling of this art is totally different from the other eps. This reminds me of others shows where they take 1 ep and do experiments. It's so wrong.
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Yes, Shun was relatively introverted (not as much as Mamoru, but certainly more than Saki, Satoru, and Maria). And there are things he clearly preferred to keep to himself. But his words rarely struck me as insincere. Simply put, I think that Saki has a better handle on who Shun really is than you think she does. As such, I don't think she's just loving an idealized notion of Shun. She's loving the real person. Let me use an analogy here - It didn't take Lois Lane long to fall in love with Superman. There's plenty about Superman that Lois Lane didn't know for quite some time. But would you say she only loved an idealized conception of Superman? Well, given how close the real Superman is to that idealized conception anyway, I'm not sure if it really matters at all. That's similar to how I view Saki's love for Shun. Quote:
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And how can you possibly write that his death was anything but calm? Shun maintained his composure right to the bitter end. His voice was consistently calm and very rarely raised. He went about as calmly to his death as I can imagine any teenager doing. Quote:
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I mean, would you say that Romeo and Juliet never felt true love for each other because their love was never put to the test of time? My view is once a person is really, truly willing to die for the sake of another, that's true love. Saki repeatedly put her life in grave peril to try to rescue Shun. I mean, really think about your position here, and what it would mean for an awful lot of anime characters. I mean... Spoiler for Major Madoka Magica spoilers:
I agree with the idea that the test of time is a great way to test the strength of two people's love for one another (and if their love fails that test for any reason other than death or literally forced separation, then yeah, that reflects poorly on their "love"). However, for obvious reasons I don't think it's a fair test to apply when one half of the couple dies at a young age. Then it's important to try to judge if any of the actions that the characters took for each other can "make up for" the lack of the test of time. And with Saki and Shun, I think there are clear instances that can make up for this lack of the test of time. Quote:
I think it makes a lot more sense to chalk up Saki's actions in this episode, and the last, to her having a deep, true love for Shun. As for my questions, I raised them for comparison purposes (Saki/Shun vs. Saki/Satoru vs. Shun/Satoru). My argument is that Saki and Shun love each other more than either one loves Shun (and more than Satoru loves Saki or Shun). However, if you're not interested in that particular comparison, we can skip it. Quote:
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Anyway, I totally disagree with the idea that Shun and Satoru's feelings for each other can be accurately portrayed as "a crush". No, I'm very confident that they felt true love for each other.
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2012-12-01, 20:50 | Link #70 |
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are you serious?
I don't know why SOME people on this thread are bent on proving that sakixshun pair didn't love each other and shun had no 'special' feelings for saki that she just 'happened' to be there and she just happened to risk her life and was going crazy yelling SHUN SHUN SHUN.
What the heck?? she loved him and HE LOVED HER BACK. He was just pretending with satoru cause he knew they were being targeted and he didn't want to harm saki by himself or through the ethics committee. You just want to fulfill your yaoi fantasy thats why you keep pressing the satoru issue. What im angry about is shunxsaki didn't get some sweet alone time. Even if i look back to see IF they shared any happy sweet memories i have NOTHING(except the boat scene). I guess the animators didn't want to dwell on sakixshun relationship seeing how it was going to do down, didn't want to disappoint TOO much but eh really? im still THOROUGHLY sad/disappointed. What if Shun didn't die?? and saki is all like "nooo i want to die with youuu" and hes like "nooo i cant harm youuuu" and cause of his strong feelings for her he actually finds a way to control his condition?? loll Now the new guy saki gets paired up(if she does) the romance HAS TO SERIOUSLY BLOW ME AWAY to top this!! it has to be REALLY CONVINCING!! IF it can! I need to see saki being cared for by some other guy ASAP Last edited by motibilli; 2012-12-01 at 21:33. |
2012-12-01, 22:14 | Link #71 |
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One thing I found really strange was the fact that all the sufferers of H-A wrote down their thoughts in a journal that was collected. It seems strange that all the H-A sufferers could #1 control themselves so they haven't destroyed the journal yet, #2 apparently managed to suicide so that the journal could be safetly retrieved.
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2012-12-01, 23:58 | Link #72 |
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Epic way to die. I'll agree with Triple R and Kazu-kun and say that this episode feels like the high point of the series. I can't say I'm particularly interested in seeing the relationships of the rest of the series knowing that they'll end up in pairings of Maria x Mamoru and Saki x Satoru. I'll keep watching to give the story a chance to surprise me, but with fairly low expectations.
On the Saki x Shun issue I'll say that I agree that Shun seemed way too careful/controlled or introverted for Saki to have known any real part of him. On the other hand, I particularly question those who say that Shun's relationship with Satoru was more meaningful because there's nothing to say that Shun's interactions with him were any less measured or artificial. The one thing that's clear is that Shun has always loved/longed for Saki, which is a bit more than you could say for Satoru. Anyway, one thing you have to ask about the "Hashimoto Appelbaum syndrome" is if it affects gifted/talented children in particular. Alternatively if it affects isolated/solitary children, which might as well be a correlated factor in describing them. If the point is that the syndrome arises from the subconscious running out of control, I'd say the greater issue is that the destructive/dangerous consequences of it reflect the subject's underlying resentment at society. That is why, when they say "there is no treatment", I kind of think both "well duh" and "that's not quite accurate". If the problem is the subconscious running out of control, then the problem might be that the conscious portion of the subject has spent so long repressing destructive feelings and interacting in a safe/acceptable/positive way with society, that it has become dissociated from their subconscious which is fundamentally dissatisfied with reality. The cure would thus be correcting their dysfunctional reality. However, of course something like that is not particularly realistic or concretely possible. The reason I like Shun is because he was brilliant therefore different from others therefore repressed himself/presented a careful, crafted facade to others. As a result of that facade, he inevitably became a karma demon. Shun had no choice but to reign in his true impulses to show a socially approvable/accepted personality in order to fit in with society, but his destructive end and death as a monster represented the outpouring of his true (subconscious) feelings. I find it appropriate that the boy who was "too brilliant" for their imperfect reality both died as a consequence of his own attempts to fit into it, and took a chunk out of it while he was at it. Of course the world is imperfect, but also of course sometimes it's good to be reminded of it. This episode was cathartic almost in the way of a classical tragedy. |
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2012-12-02, 01:58 | Link #74 |
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I shall call this thread the "BEEAATIING A DEAAD HOORSE!" thread
Saki didn't love shun, you know why? no sex. that's right, saki didnt open her legs for shun on that starry night on the boat, she didnt get it on bonobo style with shun, like she was about to with satoru. so there you go, no sex = no love --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On a somewhat more serious note... come on really? even I realized that saki and shun loved each other, does the phrase "I have always loved you" not mean the same thing in English or something? Hell, Saki was going through "all the stupid things that get you+ your friends+family killed in horror movies" checklist just to see shun again and that's not love? yeah I dont think you guys should continue arguing this anymore, as its not going anywhere. SOOoooo..... Let's talk about Saki. I really really really really hate her. Why is she the main character, (shun should have been the main character but hes dead so fuck it) I really cant stand her, she's whiney, cockblocks mamoru AND teases him about it at the same time (wtf kind of bitch does that) basically tells her parents to fuck off, anyone else hate her the same way I do? Or Am I unjustified in my hate for that character (oh and that MC plot armor*coughshunsnecklace*cough) was some gay(not that theres anything wrong with that) attempt at using "symbolism" to cover up the mc plot induced stupidity armor that pervades around saki... Also, the adults, I'd like to see more of the adults in the story, more of their point of view of things, now it just seems like "adults bad and cruel, kids good and pure" kind of thing going on. but I guess that's just part of the whole mystery feel to it.... I really wish the episodes were on par with the first 4... this last episode was good, but not omgwtf awesome, mostly for the fact that I didn't really care for the whole shunxsaki thing anyway possibly because saki has been portrayed as such an annoying bitch that while I can feel for shun who I think is awesome, I don't really care about saki...at all, she should have taken the initiative waaay before shun turned into a karma demon, I mean she was with the dude for many years, she should have been like "hey I just met you, and this is crazy, so here's my number, so call me maybe" and maybe shun wouldnt have turned to the dark side (love conquers all amirite Eureka 7?) ok, good new ammo to discuss. GO. |
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Wonderful episode. And even though Saki has always been my 31st century waifu, I thought she looked especially and stunningly beautiful this episode. |
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2012-12-02, 07:46 | Link #78 |
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I kinda felt that there was too much focus on Saki's ass this week... no really a lot of camera shifts this time that focuses on her ass...
I'm not the type of person to get bothered by fanservice but it's just the first time I noticed this in this anime...
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2012-12-02, 08:10 | Link #79 |
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I think that CJ Walker was being sarcastic there. I mean, really, that's the only reason I can see for someone thinking that Shun opened up more to Satoru than he did to Saki. "Shun and Satoru had sex together, so of course Shun opened up more to Satoru than to Saki!" One thing I forgot to talk about before - The criticisms of the direction in this episode. My take on it is that this direction style has a strength inversely proportional to the number of characters and scenes in the episode. In other words, the fewer the characters and the fewer the scenes you have, the better this direction style is. This is largely because it does close-ups in this gnarly way that I find more interesting than more standardized close-ups. However, the larger the cast and/or the more diverse the settings, the more problematic having a lot of close-ups become. But if your episode is mostly a conversation between just two people, I think this direction style makes that a lot more compelling and visually interesting than what it would otherwise be. I honestly think this episode would look very dull if not for the direction style.
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2012-12-02, 08:41 | Link #80 |
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Wow, that was some trippy animation. Can't decide whether i liked it or not.
Wonder why Shun went to his village and exactly how did he end up destroying it. One can only be impressed in how powerful PK is, what other supernatural power (in anime) can actualy mutate organisms... thats one scary side-effect right there RIP Shun. Pity you still felt slightly under-developed when you went boom |
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