Vivid Strike! - Episode 4 Discussion / Poll

[FlareKnight]

At least we now have a pretty reasonable timeline for all that happened. Met the Grandfather during Winter about 4 years back. Gets adopted in the following Spring. Then things go pretty smoothly until a year later during the Summer when she starts showing her skills. Bullying continues until November when bully annihilation and the death of the Grandfather happens. Seems like it was only half a year from that point until she officially debuted as a fighter.

Only question left is everything that went down between the beatdown and her debut. If there was legal consequences they sure got them cleared up quickly. That's certainly enough time for her to decide or be guided to taking part in martial arts, find Jill and start training. Could be reparations were made to the families of the bullied and the school and Rinne encouraged to start participating in these kinds of tournaments to channel her energies. Or maybe things were quietly handled on the legal front. Suppose if she was told to take part in these tournaments as part of a deal or sentence then it might make sense why she's going to stop after a certain point. Once she doesn't have to...well then she could just stop. If her goal is to simply be as strong as she can be then she doesn't really have to fight but rather spend her time training.

Guess we'll see what the main cast dug up on that side of things.

[Key Board]

remember that bullies actually act like this

well, maybe not breaking a smart phone

but everything else seems spot on

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Dark Wing

I bet Rinne's adoptive parents paid some people off to sweep all this under the rug. I mean you have to after somthing like that...

I don't know. It was "just" a kids' fight. Yes, it looked pretty horrible. But all the participants were elementary school students. And no one wants to acknowledge bullying. If they looked into the fight too much, they'd have to look into the reasons for the fight. And nobody wants that. (Especially if magical healing makes the physical consequences go away.)

[Archon_Wing]

Heh, there are some people that don't understand any reason beyond pain. I guess this fits in with Nanoha somehow.

That being said, when I see shit like that, I obviously can't condone someone like Rinne's actions but can't condemn her either. Really have to lament a system where bullying just gets swept under the rug or the victim gets blamed (omg stand up for urself) << At least over here that translates to violent machismo and then really bad shit happens. It doesn't help that there's often positive feedback where violence actually seems to be the only thing to deter bullies because the people in charge either can't or won't do anything.

I mean I remember this dude got his head bashed and sent to the hospital and the guy who did it was still walking around! How does that shit even happen? I guess physical assault is okay if you're a minor, and that's what kids ended up learning. But at least times have changed I think.

[Gx Hero]

I expected rinne to snap after her grandfathers death, but that was brutal. Yet you can't blame her either.

Still wonder what happens to Rinne and the bullies.

[Benigmatica]

I think the bullies are either alive but traumatized, or even in a coma at a hospital somewhere. In the worst-case scenario given the serious injuries that the bullies got, they might consider be dead.

[Arcc]

In the Nanohaverse, nothing is more suspicious (or PTSD-inducing for an unreasonable percentage of the population) than an orphanage with a name like "Alterna Childcare Institute."

The matron even bears a disturbing facial resemblance to Precia, for a given value of art style change. . .

[novalysis]

Originally Posted by Arcc

In the Nanohaverse, nothing is more suspicious (or PTSD-inducing for an unreasonable percentage of the population) than an orphanage with a name like "Alterna Childcare Institute."

The matron even bears a disturbing facial resemblance to Precia, for a given value of art style change. . .

So, Alterna Childcare Institute is a Project F front?

[Arcc]

Originally Posted by novalysis

So, Alterna Childcare Institute is a Project F front?

Statistically speaking? Yes, absolutely, literally enough evidence to conduct a raid right now pls Feito.

I could point out that two individuals with fairly ridiculous latent power levels came from there, whose preternatural talents immediately put them on the stage with certain other engineered fighters. But that's secondary and circumstantial compared to what's written on the sign posted outside the building. I mean, let's be dead honest - when was the last time any Midchildan academic had a genuinely wholesome, nurturing interest in "childcare?" I'm pretty sure "pediatrician" is the local equivalent to Dr. Evil's degree from Evil Medical School.

[Rising Dragon]

By that logic, Vivio's school is evil. Y'all are ignoring that for all its darker elements, the MGLN franchise still falls on the idealistic side of the spectrum.

[Gx Hero]

true, and for all the dark elements there has been plenty of good elements.For instance only einheart had to be befreinded by traditional mgln standards. The rest are normal girls.

one thing I do miss is the sudden encounter and attacks by opponents, like vita's from a's, and the beam spam battles that the other seasons had. But as the name says this is vivid not nanoha.

[ryllharu]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

By that logic, Vivio's school is evil. Y'all are ignoring that for all its darker elements, the MGLN franchise still falls on the idealistic side of the spectrum.

The Saint Church and St. Hilde Academy kind of is though, they just happen to be on the side of the TSAB and their past connections are subsequently ignored. Their "saint" is Olivie after all, tying them directly to The Cradle.

This is also the Church that is harboring three of the Numbers not fit to join the Nakajima household (and also only partially rehabilitated, what with giving out death threats toward Vivio's "enemies") and since the sisters of the church are very militant, even includes sadistic nuns like Chantez.

[Rising Dragon]

Please tell me you're joking and that you don't honestly believe the nonsense you're spouting about the Church.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by ryllharu

The Saint Church and St. Hilde Academy kind of is though, they just happen to be on the side of the TSAB and their past connections are subsequently ignored. Their "saint" is Olivie after all, tying them directly to The Cradle.

This is also the Church that is harboring three of the Numbers not fit to join the Nakajima household (and also only partially rehabilitated, what with giving out death threats toward Vivio's "enemies") and since the sisters of the church are very militant, even includes sadistic nuns like Chantez.

What.

By which I mean that is one of the most ridiculous accusations I've heard anyone make in a long time.

[Metaneo]

Originally Posted by ryllharu

The Saint Church and St. Hilde Academy kind of is though, they just happen to be on the side of the TSAB and their past connections are subsequently ignored. Their "saint" is Olivie after all, tying them directly to The Cradle.

This is also the Church that is harboring three of the Numbers not fit to join the Nakajima household (and also only partially rehabilitated, what with giving out death threats toward Vivio's "enemies") and since the sisters of the church are very militant, even includes sadistic nuns like Chantez.

No, just no, to all of this. The numbers that joined the church didn't do so because they weren't fit for the Nakajima family. And the church isn't "harboring" them either. The only numbers not fit to return to any part of society are the ones like Quattro and Uno because they are too loyal to Scaglietti. You might want to go rewatch the end of StikerS again.

[novalysis]

Originally Posted by ryllharu

The Saint Church and St. Hilde Academy kind of is though, they just happen to be on the side of the TSAB and their past connections are subsequently ignored. Their "saint" is Olivie after all, tying them directly to The Cradle.

This is also the Church that is harboring three of the Numbers not fit to join the Nakajima household (and also only partially rehabilitated, what with giving out death threats toward Vivio's "enemies") and since the sisters of the church are very militant, even includes sadistic nuns like Chantez.

The Saint Church is evil....

Whaat?

We have more evidence that the TSAB is flawed and partially corrupt in many places from StrikerS, than we have of the Saint Church being corrupt, let alone being evil.

[ryllharu]

Originally Posted by novalysis

The Saint Church is evil....

Whaat?

We have more evidence that the TSAB is flawed and partially corrupt in many places from StrikerS, than we have of the Saint Church being corrupt, let alone being evil.

Originally Posted by Metaneo

No, just no, to all of this. The numbers that joined the church didn't do so because they weren't fit for the Nakajima family. And the church isn't "harboring" them either. The only numbers not fit to return to any part of society are the ones like Quattro and Uno because they are too loyal to Scaglietti. You might want to go rewatch the end of StikerS again.

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

What.

By which I mean that is one of the most ridiculous accusations I've heard anyone make in a long time.

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Please tell me you're joking and that you don't honestly believe the nonsense you're spouting about the Church.

There is a reason I have a Miyu-tan avatar...

What the Church is and how it fits in the organization is pretty vague, since most of what's available is from StrikerS SSX or StrikerS dvd booklets, and they are in fact affiliated with Olivie, the Saint King after the Unification War.

Not everyone accepts the canon introduced from Vivid, but it does fill in the gaps from StrikerS.

The rest of what I wrote though, was in jest for fun.

[Arcc]

You can't claim to love something if you can't laugh at it a bit. It's like pointing out that all mages are actually lizard people, as evidenced by the lack of nipples. If you have to respond to that assertion with a heated argument, you're just not paying attention. Yeesh, no wonder the humor thread died around here.