2020-10-15, 19:15 | Link #61 |
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So, maybe I'm wrong but...
It looks like Nana covered parts of the still frozen river with soil to make it look like he stood on shallow ground. When he travelled back in time, he landed on water and drowned because he couldn't swim. But... The River didn't appear to be THAT wide, and barely had a flow... Shouldn't he have made it to either side of the shore, anyway? I mean even though he couldn't swim, he could have basically held himself above the water with by just forming an O with his arms and kick the water a bit...
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2020-10-15, 19:24 | Link #62 | |
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2020-10-15, 19:34 | Link #63 | |
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2020-10-15, 21:45 | Link #64 | |
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I like G-Senjou as much as the next guy and will give him at that time, credit, yeah.
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2020-10-16, 17:18 | Link #65 | |
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What really doesn't make sense is how inconsistently the time travel was handled. If the power is that he jumps back in time and changes the timeline, then everything should be adjusted according to that timeline, I.E. the glass didn't spill any water, but people also should no longer have any memory of the spilled water. Also people should have memory of him messing with the past, but that's not what happens otherwise they would all know his actual power... except for one part where Nana remembers seeing him in the past. So she got the updated memories of spotting him while he was witnessing her at the cliff with her first victim, but she never got the updated memories of him preventing the glass from being spilled. Also if he immediately jumps back to the present the moment he's seen, then I wonder how he could change the glass spilling that literally happened in front of Nana's eyes, as well as the whole fight that he broke at the beginning while everyone was looking at the scene from multiple directions.
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2020-10-16, 18:26 | Link #66 | |
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So yeah, weird rules, but not inconsistent.
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2020-10-16, 22:11 | Link #67 | |
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2020-10-17, 07:49 | Link #68 | |
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That is inconsistent with the fact that they mistakenly believed he had the power to stop time. If someone stops time, you simply don't notice and are never aware of what they do during the stopped time, you just see the results afterwards without witnessing how it happened. In the specific case they believed he stopped time because Moguo was punched, but they never saw the moment he actually punched him, thus they assumed he did it during the stopped time. This misunderstanding could never be possible if they instead had the memories of the punch happening in normal time. Eye contact could be easily avoided by the time traveler himself, but I guess that works if he needs to be the focus of another person's attention.
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2020-10-17, 12:10 | Link #69 | |
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So, everything is consistent. What people remember from the first timeline is that fire dude was about to punch the other kid. And what they remember from the new timeline is that someone punched fire dude before he could punch the kid. But they don't know who punched fire dude because he jumped back to the present before they could pay attention to him.
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2020-10-18, 07:35 | Link #70 | |
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Unless you are a ninja, you can't possibly punch someone without anyone realizing you are even there. And besides, having conflicting memories is not something that can be explained with stopped time. According to you they should have both the memories where Moguo grabbed the other guy by his tie and a memory where Moguo was punched before he could do that. Nana only seem to have the memory of the former, otherwise she wouldn't even need to reason on the implausibility of the time traveler adjusting that tie, she would simply remember the tie wasn't messed up to begin with.
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No, she had both, which is why she knew it wasn't just stopping time. The glass of water just confirmed what she already knew. Quote:
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2020-10-18, 09:40 | Link #73 |
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I'd say she's smart enough. For instance, I would have never thought of using the frozen lake to murder the time traveler if I was in her place. It was really cleaver.
I do agree everyone else is kinda stupid, but they're just kids so it's to be expected. In any case, if you think the plot is boring, why are you even watching?
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2020-10-18, 09:55 | Link #74 | |
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2020-10-18, 10:35 | Link #75 |
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To be fair, I wouldn't call them stupid just because they couldn't figure the trick out. Unless you are really alert, if you have impressions of two possible timelines, but one of them matches up with what your present perception and the other doesn't, in a flash you'll go with the one that seems to match reality and the other one gets dumped as a weird flash of imagination.
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2020-10-18, 11:32 | Link #76 |
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I think the only reason Nana "remembered" 2 timelines is because he was explaining what he was doing as he went back in time. Its possible short hops and long hops work differently too but he was the 'murder of the week' so its honestly not worth it to think about it too much.
Regardless, it looks like we have this series "L" character. Invincibility (or maybe its closer to immortality) going to be a tough nut to crack. |
2020-10-18, 12:16 | Link #77 |
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yeah finally nana worst nightmare come, the "invencible guy", how you can "kill" someone which can't be "killed", he is literally a "wolverine 2.0, he can heal even more fast than wolverine and while he is funny and trying to be "friend with nana" he is really smarth and cunning and can easy find about nana if she don't double her caution around him.
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2020-10-18, 14:00 | Link #78 |
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Wolverine can be killed by drowning (While he can regenerate, he will still die if he can't breath) but even If he invincible as in "immortal", freeze him in the ice will still work. (Ability that change target property, like turn something into a stone will also work)
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2020-10-18, 14:30 | Link #79 | |
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2020-10-18, 15:29 | Link #80 |
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Depending on what type of immortality he has (his seems to be the regenerative type) there are quite a few ways around it.
Not having a sense of smell is one thing, but I wonder if his ability affects his age as well. There are a few quirks he has which makes me suspect that may be the case like him calling Nana "kid", thinking she would like to play with dolls, prefering retro games, and being out of touch with slang. The last two could just be personality quirks though.
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