2007-11-19, 03:10 | Link #61 | |
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2007-11-19, 04:25 | Link #62 |
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Because if I want to watch anime on my old laptop I need to watch the Xvid releases. The H.264 is lags the shit and even crashes on my old laptop. While it's perfectly fine for my desktop and my new laptop(H.264 ftw imo), but not everyone has a system capable of running H.264 releases.
My old laptop is a pentium 4 with 2,8 GHz and 512 MB(running on XP). If fansubbers can release both why not? |
2007-11-19, 06:03 | Link #63 | ||
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Those are better specs than my desktop and I have no problem with h264 releases. And if you've got two things that'll run it, why on earth are you using the third one that won't? Quote:
Because believe it or not, even encoders have lives. Encoding something twice takes unnecessary extra time. |
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2007-11-19, 10:37 | Link #64 | |
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We'll undoubtedly see the move to mostly H.264 eventually, though the adoption rate is much slower that the jump from Divx to XviD codecs we saw years ago. I think the biggest issue a lot of people seem to have is that they see ".mkv" or ".mp4" and automatically assume that the files won't work on their computers for one reason or another even if they'd run perfectly fine.
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2007-11-19, 10:55 | Link #65 | |
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Check out this guide I wrote on the playback help forum. |
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2007-11-19, 13:07 | Link #66 | |
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I know my PC should be able to handle it after a reformat. It's just I don't want to. Since I have a desktop and a new laptop. Even with the reformat there are releases that even my laptop just can't handle. I highly doubt you can play all the releases on it. Yeah a MQ release, might to the trick, but even now xvid is still more user friendly. Even then CCCP might not work because of previous codecs and some people just aren't handy enough to be able to remove the old ones. I do find people should switch over to H.264, but forcing it seems a bit too much. |
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2007-11-19, 13:42 | Link #67 | |
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And it's not just the encoders losing time on a double release, you have to think of the QC and Distro team as well.
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2007-11-19, 13:52 | Link #68 | |
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As for the distro team. Double releases will be needed if you want to a target a wide audience. Even if you only use the H.264 format(think a MQ and a HQ release). If you go for the Xvid and the H.264 you target an even wider audience. It's true there will be more bandwidth lost, but hey if you want more people to watch your releases you give in. I say it would be wiser to w8 for H.264 to be more mainstream. |
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2007-11-19, 14:00 | Link #69 | |
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2007-11-19, 14:06 | Link #70 | |
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You not having any problems with the HD stuff...Well what did you expect with you having 2,5GB ram? I don't want to make fun of someone~, but sigh~ |
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2007-11-19, 14:33 | Link #71 |
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Ram is almost useless when considering playback speeds. A dual core system can easilly play back 1080p even if it has less than 512 megabytes of ram. The main things that affect playback are CPU horsepower and the presence of GPU offloading (letting your video card decompress the video). With H.264, GPU offloading is scarce, primitive, and doesn't come into play often. That being said, you don't need alot of CPU power to decode H.264. My AMD athalon 2800+ (1.8 ghz) has no problems decoding 720p and, on occasion, can play back 1080p without lag.
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2007-11-19, 14:40 | Link #72 | ||
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2. You have to load that into an encoding application, click through some menus to set the first pass and second pass 3. Wait for the encode 4. Encode the audio (if not encoded already) 5. Mux them 6. Do a fast check 7. Upload 8. Have someone check it whole before releasing (step could be removed) 9. Create torrent, put it on bots, alert distro people, etc 10. You're done and spent some time on this (I'd give a timescale, but that depends on too many factors, however altogether it does add up to quit a bit) (If I could I'd stop doing XviD encodes straight away, last time I/we tried I/we was/were trolled to death... Maybe even more of a reason to do so now that I think of it. :V ) Also translation checking is not usually done on an RC encode, it'd be pretty silly to do it this way. And having leechers check for faults... I mean... *loses words* Quote:
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2007-11-19, 15:00 | Link #73 | |
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Martino you pretty much said it yourself it doesn't take that long. Btw encoding the audio should already be done. Uploading isn't much work. I don't consider the work the computer does as something that consumes the time of the encoder. And hell that ain't that much more work. Unless you view the computer as the person then I'll just say no comment.
Famesubbers? Call me crazy. Why are you fansubbing? To get people more people to watch anime? I find it pretty weird if you want to limit the amount of people you are targeting. If you are only going for hardcore fans then you might be right. Pretty interesting stance if you ask me. Quote:
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2007-11-19, 15:20 | Link #74 | |
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2007-11-19, 15:28 | Link #75 | |
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My point is that it's too early to switch to H.264 releases only. |
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2007-11-19, 15:43 | Link #76 |
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2H-Dragon, it's not too early to switch to H.264 only. H.264 has been here for 4 YEARS ALREADY, and it's been widely adapted as "the standard" by the commercial world and big companies are drumming "H.264! H.264!" all over the place, so it should be a lot more recognized nowadays too, which in turn means that becoming familiar with it won't be that hard.
And when you can play SD H.264 on pretty old hardware with actually very little work (installing CCCP isn't hard, even if you have to uninstall other stuff before it, since you actually get a program and clear instructions to help you), and in case you have CCCP previously installed, you don't even need to do anything, really. In the end, moving to H.264 today wouldn't be nearly as painful as you probably imagine, and for new users, adapting to H.264 is very easy (install CCCP, ?????, PROFIT!). Everyone would only gain benefits from the change (increase in quality and other things, such as proper softsubs, chapters, etc that MKV provides), since we could dump the old and outdated AVI in the process, too. |
2007-11-19, 15:47 | Link #77 | ||
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If every fansubber targetted "large audiences", we'd only have speedsubbers, since that's where the masses lie, but not quality, I'm afraid. Everyone can release a simple script with minimum editing, QC and typesetting, and that only takes 5 hours tops for a single episode. Since I am not seeing that to be the case, and because I am a fansubber, and I know how my buddies think, and you're just a troll, I will assume otherwise, if that's OK with you. |
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2007-11-19, 15:52 | Link #78 |
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I'm involved in a multi-year project which we switched the format from xvid to h.264 in the series. There was no real change in the fan base I've seen. It's not a major title. And we're not releasing in 720p. But I don't see any problem in switching completely to h.264.
You don't have to switch all of sudden to h.264 @ 720p. If you want, start switching the low res version to h.264 too. Why are we so stuck with the idea that low res must be in xvid and high res must be in h.264? Do what Arienai is doing already. |
2007-11-19, 15:57 | Link #79 |
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Daiz then how do you explain that the xvid releases get downloaded more? I am not against switching to H.264. I just dislike the mind set to force things.
Toua - that's pretty much it. If they can let them. Yeah there are fansubbers that target "large audiences". Just because you aren't from the groups that don't target large audiences that doesn't mean other groups don't. Calling me a troll is kinda harsh. Since I at least take the time to post some arguments. |
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