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Breimn · 2017-11-03, 17:49

Val turned the dungeon floor in a military base with anti god turrets lol

lexlexz · 2017-11-04, 05:01

why is the name of the chapter the being that toys with gurodanis ?
is birkine taken over?

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Imagine Breaker · 2017-11-04, 05:05

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Originally Posted by lexlexz

why is the name of the chapter the being that toys with gurodanis ?
is birkine taken over?

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lexlexz · 2017-11-04, 05:57

i really liked the ?image? of the way darcia fights

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kagato3 · 2017-11-05, 00:08

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Originally Posted by lexlexz

i really liked the ?image? of the way darcia fights

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Imagine Breaker · 2017-11-05, 02:30

Just realized something..

Miles Rouge (dunno the correct name) was a human before he became noble-born vampire, right? But he turned into werewolf form when fighting with Birkyne's minions. @_@

Reread the whole arc. Damn, how did I missed that little thing in his status sheet? That additional character in the race name, that skill...

Anyway, so that would mean they gained various skills when they mutated eh? Kek.

kari-no-sugata II · 2017-11-05, 18:17

I dunno if Van's last attack killed the evil god... but I guess that'll be confirmed soon enough in the next chapter.

Was nice to see Vida/Darcia kick ass. Also, makes me wonder how effective Fitun's plan will be. Does he have some special sauce prepared that will give him a chance? Maybe he'll use better tactics...? If not, it seems like it would be a boring fight.

So far, Van hasn't gone public about his achievements but it would be funny if he did. I can just imagine him (or Vida) issuing a sort-of press release where he claims he's defeated the two (really 3) of the evil vampires and even their god in just a few years while Alda spent 100,000 years blowing smoke out of his ass.

From what we've seen so far though, such actions would be rather out of character. But what if someone tries to credit Heinz with all that? Would Van sit quiet or would he go public? Anyway... I guess after this fight the arc will go back to a bit of political dealings until Murakami and co turn up to try whatever stupid idea they have.

Imagine Breaker · 2017-11-06, 03:05

^The evil bright ghosts trio were said to ranked up from 5 to 6 because of the fight with Hihiryushukaka, so it's safe to say the poor guy's rekt already. They did ranked up from 4 to 5 through fighting the minion noble vampire.

kari-no-sugata II · 2017-11-06, 08:43

^ Ah, thanks. It seems I had missed reading the notes at the end, for once. It's not like I doubted the guy's death though.

Anyway, a good day for Van - two more names crossed off his shit list. Just Heinz+co and Alda remain. I wonder if we'll see Van make specific efforts to undermine Alda long term...

Imagine Breaker · 2017-11-06, 08:53

^Another job change incoming, I guess? Kek.

As for Alda, isn't he (rather, Darcia) already doing some evangelical mission? They would be having a hard time separating Vida devotees from that reconciliation faction, but if they manage to do it, then the rest would be pretty much easy. Having the Five Colored Blades, who are basically the figureheads of the reconciliation faction, attain that Vida's enemy title might make things easier. At least inside the Kingdom.

kari-no-sugata II · 2017-11-06, 11:12

Lots of job changes coming on, for nearly everyone I guess. (All those on Van's side in the fight who can take jobs)

Perhaps another new unique skill for Van if he's eaten that god. Come to think of it, I don't think he's even used his new Perfect Record skill yet.

There have been hints earlier in the arc that Van will eventually take over the town or something along those lines. So it'll be interesting to see what that actually means. Will all the inhabitants join Vida's reinc system? Will everyone become Vida believers?

While Darcia has been preaching Vida's faith, that wasn't really planned by them in advance and was more of a response to a request, IIRC. However, what they've been doing here might turn out to be something that they can replicate on a wider scale in future. Basically, if it turns out to have significant benefits (against Alda) would they decide to become proactive about doing it and future and also scale it up? Not just taking over the town but the entire Duchy. Then multiple Duchies. Then the entire country.

lexlexz · 2017-11-06, 15:44

perfect record skill?
i dont remenber ...
when was that skill?

Imagine Breaker · 2017-11-06, 16:22

^The one he gained from eating Curatos.

^^IIRC it was mentioned to be used to create those prosthetic limbs.

Edit: Can somebody explain the mechanics of that imaginary cannon? Thanks.

Akiraa · 2017-11-06, 20:11

^ Unlike the name, death magic doesn't do too much damage, therefore Van uses the imaginary cannon, look at Curatos when he sees Van using the move, he comments this is basically like a gigantic amount of mana throw at you. The way I see is basically like a genki dama, the cannon in the name is just because he's shooting at the enemy and from the size only a cannon could shoot that.

Imagine Breaker · 2017-11-06, 23:27

That's what I understood at first...until I realized that it can destroy something portrayed as indestructible (i.e. dungeons). There must be more to that.

Edit: New raw out.

A certain vampire became vampire princess knight. Another became vampire empress butler. A vampire zombie became vampire chain lord zombie. Kek.

So...noble-born vampires can't become purebreed? Or is it already useless since they're already abyss vampires?

sasuke706 · 2017-11-07, 19:03

Nobles can't become purebreeds. They can become as strong as them, but is more difficult.
It mentioned before that even if a purebreed ranks up, they're still just a purebreed and only the rank number changes.
It's also likely that servant-class vampires can't become noble vampires. (Purebreed is made from Progenitor blood, Noble is made from Purebreed blood, servants made from Noble blood)

Seems to have slight advantages and disadvantages.
Pureblood vampires seem to start with natural extremely high vampire traits, i.e. Extreme Strength and Hyperspeed Regeneration (compared to Highspeed Regeneration that the three still have). However any specializations they do is all through jobs and none racial. They also racially start at rank 13 where nobles start at rank 7, I believe?
Noble vampires don't seem to have any racial differences among fellow noble vampires until rank 13, but then it seems they can racially specialize into something as well as use the job system to create a doubled effect. Like how Belmond is racially a butler and Elenora is racially a knight, which can synergize with their job choices. Or likewise still get bonuses to butler-related skills while branching off into other categories with the job system.
It's been mentioned before that races can provide bonuses toward skills as well, like how Taleah was mentioned to get crafting bonuses from becoming an unheard Ghoul Artisan.

So Elenora has more potential as a (princess) knight than a purebreed would, but less potential as a vampire.

Although honestly these differences rarely show enough considering individual difference seems to be everything to begin with.
Like how Zod was good at muscle arts and only muscle arts; that's completely individual differences and has nothing to do with his race or his job selection.
Likewise effort can overcome any skill differences between purebreeds and nobles, seeing as Van, a dhampir, has surpassed most noble vampires with just his vampire traits even.

Imagine Breaker · 2017-11-07, 19:59

What does his evolved binding skill called? It did evolved this time and the kanji implies that he can now summon them creatures from his shadow. Not as freaky as releasing them the usual way, i.e. from his body.

The evolved Strengthen Subordinates was a letdown tho.

sasuke706 · 2017-11-07, 20:14

Well assuming 装群術 is Equip Swarm (from 装備 and 群れ), 装影群術 would be Equip Shadow Swarm.
As 装群術 made it where he could 'equip' whoever he wanted including undead, the only upgrade it could really do is now make it where they can appear from his shadow.
It would be interesting if Vandalieu's 'other selves' (his clones he makes with his spirit/materialize combo) counted as 'shadows' though. It was kind of hinting that with the Fake Van from Zackard's Trial talking with the demon lord shadow, maybe.
Or maybe he can create shadow clones of people he has equipped? Seems unlikely, though.

It also seems Vandalieu finally obtained the normal way to make undead in Lambda, i.e. lifeless animated corpses.
Granted it's entirely pointless for Van and it immediately integrated into his death magic skill.

Imagine Breaker · 2017-11-07, 22:57

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Originally Posted by sasuke706

It also seems Vandalieu finally obtained the normal way to make undead in Lambda, i.e. lifeless animated corpses.
Granted it's entirely pointless for Van and it immediately integrated into his death magic skill.

Was it even the death magic skill? 冥王術 was the skill he got from integrating his new skills. 冥王魔術 was the magic. So either the author made a mistake or the new skill was meant to be the skill version of the spells.

sasuke706 · 2017-11-07, 23:06

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Originally Posted by Imagine Breaker

Was it even the death magic skill? 冥王術 was the skill he got from integrating his new skills. 冥王魔術 was the magic. So either the author made a mistake or the new skill was meant to be the skill version of the spells.

It's a typo. If you look at the previous style, he gains the new skill, THEN other skills integrate into it.
Like: 『【装植術】スキルを獲得しました！』
『【農業】スキルが【装植術】に統合されました！』
Or: 『【ゴーレム錬成】スキルが【ゴーレム創成】スキルに変化しました！』
『【大工】、【土木】、【鍛冶】スキルが【ゴーレム創成】スキルに統合されました！』

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lexlexz Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Brazil	why is the name of the chapter the *being that toys with gurodanis ?* is birkine taken over? Spoiler for and: darcia finaly fights in this chapter!!! Last edited by lexlexz; 2017-11-04 at 05:50.

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lexlexz Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Brazil	i really liked the ?image? of the way darcia fights Spoiler for darcia powers: changing the body all over with chaos skill bone dagger adamuntiun orichalcun claws ... (wolverine?) tail super life atribute meat bullets?

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Imagine Breaker Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Deep within the abyss that is fatigue	Just realized something.. Miles Rouge (dunno the correct name) was a human before he became noble-born vampire, right? But he turned into werewolf form when fighting with Birkyne's minions. @_@ Reread the whole arc. Damn, how did I missed that little thing in his status sheet? That additional character in the race name, that skill... Anyway, so that would mean they gained various skills when they mutated eh? Kek. __________________ Samurai, in the old days, used two swords: a katana and a wakizashi. Having two blades in your belt meant you were a fully fledged warrior. But at some point, we threw away that pride, lost the belief that we should protect others, and all that was left was the one weapon to protect ourselves.... THE NEO ARMSTRONG CYCLONE JET ARMSTRONG CANNON Last edited by Imagine Breaker; 2017-11-05 at 05:51.

2017-11-06, 03:05	Link #788
Imagine Breaker Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Deep within the abyss that is fatigue	^The evil bright ghosts trio were said to ranked up from 5 to 6 because of the fight with Hihiryushukaka, so it's safe to say the poor guy's rekt already. They did ranked up from 4 to 5 through fighting the minion noble vampire. __________________ Samurai, in the old days, used two swords: a katana and a wakizashi. Having two blades in your belt meant you were a fully fledged warrior. But at some point, we threw away that pride, lost the belief that we should protect others, and all that was left was the one weapon to protect ourselves.... THE NEO ARMSTRONG CYCLONE JET ARMSTRONG CANNON

2017-11-06, 08:53	Link #790
Imagine Breaker Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Deep within the abyss that is fatigue	^Another job change incoming, I guess? Kek. As for Alda, isn't he (rather, Darcia) already doing some evangelical mission? They would be having a hard time separating Vida devotees from that reconciliation faction, but if they manage to do it, then the rest would be pretty much easy. Having the Five Colored Blades, who are basically the figureheads of the reconciliation faction, attain that Vida's enemy title might make things easier. At least inside the Kingdom. __________________ Samurai, in the old days, used two swords: a katana and a wakizashi. Having two blades in your belt meant you were a fully fledged warrior. But at some point, we threw away that pride, lost the belief that we should protect others, and all that was left was the one weapon to protect ourselves.... THE NEO ARMSTRONG CYCLONE JET ARMSTRONG CANNON

2017-11-03, 17:49	Link #781
Breimn Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015	Val turned the dungeon floor in a military base with anti god turrets lol

2017-11-05, 18:17	Link #787
kari-no-sugata II Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015	I dunno if Van's last attack killed the evil god... but I guess that'll be confirmed soon enough in the next chapter. Was nice to see Vida/Darcia kick ass. Also, makes me wonder how effective Fitun's plan will be. Does he have some special sauce prepared that will give him a chance? Maybe he'll use better tactics...? If not, it seems like it would be a boring fight. So far, Van hasn't gone public about his achievements but it would be funny if he did. I can just imagine him (or Vida) issuing a sort-of press release where he claims he's defeated the two (really 3) of the evil vampires and even their god in just a few years while Alda spent 100,000 years blowing smoke out of his ass. From what we've seen so far though, such actions would be rather out of character. But what if someone tries to credit Heinz with all that? Would Van sit quiet or would he go public? Anyway... I guess after this fight the arc will go back to a bit of political dealings until Murakami and co turn up to try whatever stupid idea they have.

2017-11-06, 08:43	Link #789
kari-no-sugata II Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015	^ Ah, thanks. It seems I had missed reading the notes at the end, for once. It's not like I doubted the guy's death though. Anyway, a good day for Van - two more names crossed off his shit list. Just Heinz+co and Alda remain. I wonder if we'll see Van make specific efforts to undermine Alda long term...

2017-11-06, 11:12	Link #791
kari-no-sugata II Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015	Lots of job changes coming on, for nearly everyone I guess. (All those on Van's side in the fight who can take jobs) Perhaps another new unique skill for Van if he's eaten that god. Come to think of it, I don't think he's even used his new Perfect Record skill yet. There have been hints earlier in the arc that Van will eventually take over the town or something along those lines. So it'll be interesting to see what that actually means. Will all the inhabitants join Vida's reinc system? Will everyone become Vida believers? While Darcia has been preaching Vida's faith, that wasn't really planned by them in advance and was more of a response to a request, IIRC. However, what they've been doing here might turn out to be something that they can replicate on a wider scale in future. Basically, if it turns out to have significant benefits (against Alda) would they decide to become proactive about doing it and future and also scale it up? Not just taking over the town but the entire Duchy. Then multiple Duchies. Then the entire country.

2017-11-06, 15:44	Link #792
lexlexz Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Brazil	perfect record skill? i dont remenber ... when was that skill?

2017-11-06, 16:22	Link #793
Imagine Breaker Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Deep within the abyss that is fatigue	^The one he gained from eating Curatos. ^^IIRC it was mentioned to be used to create those prosthetic limbs. Edit: Can somebody explain the mechanics of that imaginary cannon? Thanks. __________________ Samurai, in the old days, used two swords: a katana and a wakizashi. Having two blades in your belt meant you were a fully fledged warrior. But at some point, we threw away that pride, lost the belief that we should protect others, and all that was left was the one weapon to protect ourselves.... THE NEO ARMSTRONG CYCLONE JET ARMSTRONG CANNON Last edited by Imagine Breaker; 2017-11-06 at 17:02.

2017-11-06, 20:11	Link #794
Akiraa rc Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: SP	^ Unlike the name, death magic doesn't do too much damage, therefore Van uses the imaginary cannon, look at Curatos when he sees Van using the move, he comments this is basically like a gigantic amount of mana throw at you. The way I see is basically like a genki dama, the cannon in the name is just because he's shooting at the enemy and from the size only a cannon could shoot that.

2017-11-06, 23:27	Link #795
Imagine Breaker Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Deep within the abyss that is fatigue	That's what I understood at first...until I realized that it can destroy something portrayed as indestructible (i.e. dungeons). There must be more to that. Edit: New raw out. A certain vampire became vampire princess knight. Another became vampire empress butler. A vampire zombie became vampire chain lord zombie. Kek. So...noble-born vampires can't become purebreed? Or is it already useless since they're already abyss vampires? __________________ Samurai, in the old days, used two swords: a katana and a wakizashi. Having two blades in your belt meant you were a fully fledged warrior. But at some point, we threw away that pride, lost the belief that we should protect others, and all that was left was the one weapon to protect ourselves.... THE NEO ARMSTRONG CYCLONE JET ARMSTRONG CANNON Last edited by Imagine Breaker; 2017-11-07 at 17:26. Reason: merged

2017-11-07, 19:03	Link #796
sasuke706 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008	Nobles can't become purebreeds. They can become as strong as them, but is more difficult. It mentioned before that even if a purebreed ranks up, they're still just a purebreed and only the rank number changes. It's also likely that servant-class vampires can't become noble vampires. (Purebreed is made from Progenitor blood, Noble is made from Purebreed blood, servants made from Noble blood) Seems to have slight advantages and disadvantages. Pureblood vampires seem to start with natural extremely high vampire traits, i.e. Extreme Strength and Hyperspeed Regeneration (compared to Highspeed Regeneration that the three still have). However any specializations they do is all through jobs and none racial. They also racially start at rank 13 where nobles start at rank 7, I believe? Noble vampires don't seem to have any racial differences among fellow noble vampires until rank 13, but then it seems they can racially specialize into something as well as use the job system to create a doubled effect. Like how Belmond is racially a butler and Elenora is racially a knight, which can synergize with their job choices. Or likewise still get bonuses to butler-related skills while branching off into other categories with the job system. It's been mentioned before that races can provide bonuses toward skills as well, like how Taleah was mentioned to get crafting bonuses from becoming an unheard Ghoul Artisan. So Elenora has more potential as a (princess) knight than a purebreed would, but less potential as a vampire. Although honestly these differences rarely show enough considering individual difference seems to be everything to begin with. Like how Zod was good at muscle arts and only muscle arts; that's completely individual differences and has nothing to do with his race or his job selection. Likewise effort can overcome any skill differences between purebreeds and nobles, seeing as Van, a dhampir, has surpassed most noble vampires with just his vampire traits even.

2017-11-07, 19:59	Link #797
Imagine Breaker Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Deep within the abyss that is fatigue	What does his evolved binding skill called? It did evolved this time and the kanji implies that he can now summon them creatures from his shadow. Not as freaky as releasing them the usual way, i.e. from his body. The evolved Strengthen Subordinates was a letdown tho. __________________ Samurai, in the old days, used two swords: a katana and a wakizashi. Having two blades in your belt meant you were a fully fledged warrior. But at some point, we threw away that pride, lost the belief that we should protect others, and all that was left was the one weapon to protect ourselves.... THE NEO ARMSTRONG CYCLONE JET ARMSTRONG CANNON

2017-11-07, 20:14	Link #798
sasuke706 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008	Well assuming 装群術 is Equip Swarm (from 装備 and 群れ), 装影群術 would be Equip Shadow Swarm. As 装群術 made it where he could 'equip' whoever he wanted including undead, the only upgrade it could really do is now make it where they can appear from his shadow. It would be interesting if Vandalieu's 'other selves' (his clones he makes with his spirit/materialize combo) counted as 'shadows' though. It was kind of hinting that with the Fake Van from Zackard's Trial talking with the demon lord shadow, maybe. Or maybe he can create shadow clones of people he has equipped? Seems unlikely, though. It also seems Vandalieu finally obtained the normal way to make undead in Lambda, i.e. lifeless animated corpses. Granted it's entirely pointless for Van and it immediately integrated into his death magic skill.