(L) Shokugeki no Soma [Manga]

[Fwarlord]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

Perhaps her grandpa wants her to be more of a normal girl, not a food judging machine? Yeah, being a good chief is good, but what's more important is being a human (having friends, family, etc).

If so, why did he let her continue to be a judge in the first place? Her dad was disowned since her childhood, and Senzaemon let her be a judge for 5-6 years since then while being her guardian. Why did he do that, if he really just wants her to be a normal girl, why didn't cut off her connection to the cuisine world? No matter how you look at it, Senzaemon's actions are completely contradicted to themselves, either because the author wants to portray him as a senile old man or because of his poor writing skill.

[Dysprosium]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

This is the first time we have insights into her character. The author gave hints left and right but never touched it directly. It was not yet built to be destroyed.

Yup. That poster just goes around using the word "destroyed", but actually doesn't even know the meaning/actual usage of it.

In literature, we have 2 kinds of character development, one being static -> dynamic, whilst the other being flat -> round.

What we're seeing here is basically the latter.

[HtwoN]

Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

Because of her disdain for pleb food and Souma acting like an *** throughout the test.

(Even the chapter itself mentioned Erina being flustered is usually half of his fault )

OK, let's take a different look at it.

Sometimes food made by a first rate chief doesn't taste as good as food you buy from a third rate restaurant near your house. Is that because the chief at that third rate restaurant is better than a first rate chief? No, it is because of your palate.

Let's say Erina really liked Souma's dish not because that is was amazing, but it fitted her palate. She loved it, but it wasn't enough to reach her passing grade. Souma indeed has talent, but he was nowhere near the level of his father, Doujima or Shinomiya.

And that makes me think that her grandpa wants her not to judge by her head all the time, but her heart too.

[HtwoN]

Originally Posted by Fwarlord

If so, why did he let her continue to be a judge in the first place? Her dad was disowned since her childhood, and Senzaemon let her be a judge for 5-6 years since then while being her guardian. Why did he do that, if he really just wants her to be a normal girl, why didn't cut off her connection to the cuisine world? No matter how you look at it, Senzaemon's actions are completely contradicted to themselves, either because the author wants to portray him as a senile old man or because of his poor writing skill.

Let's say you are a parent. Your child is really into computer science. He has great talent and could work for Google in a couple of years. But the downside is that your child sitting in front of the computer all day. He has no friend.

Would you ban him from using the computer?

It not being either a good chief or a girl. It is about being both.

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

Yup. That poster just goes around using the word "destroyed", but actually doesn't even know the meaning/actual usage of it.

In literature, we have 2 kinds of character development, one being static -> dynamic, whilst the other being flat -> round.

What we're seeing here is basically the latter.

If you are talking about me, please make it direct and clear. Don't have to go around the circle for it. Stop acting like a kid. Ok?

Also i know that meaning more than you do. You can disagree with me but please don't go around accusing/assuming me for not know the meaning or actual usage of it. Stop being smart ass because you are clearly not. Thanks for reading.

[Dysprosium]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

OK, let's take a different look at it.

Sometimes food made by a first rate chief doesn't taste as good as food you buy from a third rate restaurant near your house. Is that because the chief at that third rate restaurant is better than a first rate chief? No, it is because of your palate.

Let's say Erina really liked Souma's dish not because that is was amazing, but it fitted her palate. She loved it, but it wasn't enough to reach her passing grade. Souma indeed has talent, but he was nowhere near the level of his father, Doujima or Shinomiya.

And that makes me think that her grandpa wants her not to judge by her head all the time, but her heart too.

Well, what are the chances of that happening?

Its a combination of the skill level of the chef and your palate, but it leans heavily towards the former.

I think you meant not fitting her palate? Granted, we do know Jou never taught his son recipes beyond the diner, so his dish, while tasted good, had every chance of not being "good" enough to make her grade.

What's interesting about the chapter is Senzaemon mentioning many people helping Erina recover from her ordeal, but her heart is still trapped in a "bird cage". And you know what a "bird cage" symbolises, in fictional literature. So yeah, you're spot on there about her having to have a "heart", to go along with her "head".

[HtwoN]

Originally Posted by noobita

She was shown to be more nicer after the autumn election. The ice Queen is melting is real. She is starting to appreciate Hisoka. Treating others better; Megumi in the stagiaire, and now actually give a good and helpful feedback when Soma asking for her feedback on his food. Not once but twice in the same arc...and then suddenly all went to hell after Azami came. The strong-willed girl is now reduced into a princess of damsel who cannot even make her friend stay at her side because she was so afraid of her father. The writer completely wipe off her character development for the cliche knight in the shinning armor to save his princess.

I don't think those was character developments. Those were the hints that she is naturally nice. She is always friendly around Hisako. She is only hash with 2 kinds of people: who making shit food and well, Souma. It's not that she is nicer, it is that she has more screen time.

I don't think this will be the knight climbing up the tower to rescue the princess but the knight giving her a ladder to climb down herself. We shall see. A cliche could be good if written right.

Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

I think you meant not fitting her palate? Granted, we do know Jou never taught his son recipes beyond the diner, so his dish, while tasted good, had every chance of not being "good" enough to make her grade.

No, I meant Souma's dish fits her palate. But it isn't first-rate by any mean.

[Dysprosium]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

I don't think those was character developments. Those were the hints that she is naturally nice. She is always friendly around Hisako. She is only hash with 2 kinds of people: who making shit food and well, Souma. It's not that she is nicer, it is that she has more screen time.

I don't think this will be the knight climbing up the tower to rescue the princess but the knight giving her a ladder to climb down herself. We shall see. A cliche could be good if written right.

Yup. Pretty much this. Again we're gonna fall back on what kind of character development we're seeing here.

And frankly speaking, which work of fiction doesn't employ commonly used tropes and/or cliches? Its all about the execution, and to blast it as being "too generic for my tastes!", "same old ****!", "bad writing!", etc, is quite puzzling, yet hilarious, IMO.

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by Fairy Water

Zeee... Too many tsundere haters
Drop this series if u disappointed that much.

Be careful you fanboy is showing, first of all I don't care for Erina so I don't know where you got the whole tsudere hater thing *cough*myavatar*cough*, second if I were to drop this series (which i'm close to do) it would be because of the awful writing currently plaguing the series that is trying way too hard to make it into a full shounen series instead of keeping it in cooking the part that actually makes it... made it a good series.

And yes it was obvious your comment was directed at me simce I was the only one in the last few pages that mentioned possibly dropping the series, you know just in case you try to evade the arguement.

[Dysprosium]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

No, I meant Souma's dish fits her palate. But it isn't first-rate by any mean.

Her palate leans towards gourment food, no?

[Fwarlord]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

Let's say you are a parent. Your child is really into computer science. He has great talent and could work for Google in a couple of years. But the downside is that your child sitting in front of the computer all day. He has no friend.

Would you ban him from using the computer?

It not being either a good chief or a girl. It is about being both.

You forgot something, in this scenario, my "genius" child was brainwashed and abused in his early childhood by an evil organization to the point he developed a serious mental disease related to computer. Letting him continue to use it only strengthens his disease and makes things worse.

Please don't try to evade the real issue here and focus on establish facts, ok?
1. Azami brainwashed Erina by his twisted teaching since her childhood
2. Because of that trauma, Erina's judgement is extremely biased again a certain kind of food and chef
3. Despite knowing all that, Senzaemon still let her continue to judge others

What're you trying to argue? If you think Erina's judgement is completely acceptable and she's just too focus on cooking, that means it's just her personal issue as a teenager, Azami did nothing wrong, he didn't twisted her mind and his method of teaching is fine so there's no problem with him being the new director and the upcoming arc is meaningless.

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

I don't think those was character developments. Those were the hints that she is naturally nice. She is always friendly around Hisako. She is only hash with 2 kinds of people: who making shit food and well, Souma. It's not that she is nicer, it is that she has more screen time.

I don't think this will be the knight climbing up the tower to rescue the princess but the knight giving her a ladder to climb down herself. We shall see. A cliche could be good if written right.

No. She wasnt that nice before the autumn election. Remember how she treated Nikumi after Nikumi lost to Soma? Remember how she belittling at Soma for not knowing the importance of bento?

She was slowly accepting Soma as a capable chef after the autumn election arc. She didn't belittle him anymore. Instead of belittle Soma for being dumbass for challenging Kuga and getting dead last in the first day of festival, she was asking him to step up the game . Also she was also encouraging Megumi to have more self confidence. Pre Autumn Election Erina will encouraging no one else except herself.

That is the character development. She was changing for better character.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

No, I meant Souma's dish fits her palate. But it isn't first-rate by any mean.

Your whole argument is complete nonsense. Souma has been acknowledged by Doujima the former first seed, Shinomiya, the Italian cook, the french teacher who gives lousy grades, by basically most of his peers including fellow polar star mate the seventh seed, etc. So he clearly has a significant amount of skill. He is no third rate chef as you put it.

Additionally saying that Erina should have her criteria be someone on Jouchiro's level just to join the academy is nonsense. He depicted in the manga as being one of the greatest chefs in existence. If his skill level was the threshold, then no one would be at the academy Erina included. That is like telling a kid, you can't join the local community soccer league unless you are on the same level as Pele and Messi.

I mean your whole argument is outlandish or disproved by the manga itself.

I mean forget Megumi, how would justify the majority of the majority of polar star dorm, those side character who couldn't pass the camp, the clown in the don group being at this school, if a third rate like Souma isn't good enough.

Also your argument about the restaurants isn't necessarily true and this manga even goes out of its way to show that. Skill is not all, maybe not even necessarily the most important thing as shown with Shinomiya in France. Something as simply as his nationality can work against him, he maybe a great french cuisine chef, but him being Japanese works against. And you can easily have the flip side where a chef or restaurant can be rated highly while not really being so.

[theshade1]

Oh god. I can see it now, Souma vs brainwashed Erina in a shokugeki, where he beats and "rescues" her and she becomes deredere towards him.

I really really hope that doesn't happen, with her ending up like frickin Nikumi

Side note: chaps out

[Fairy Water]

The family bond between Narikis is strong, it's feel good to see how both Alice and Erina used to be so close to each other.

So... in the end, AZAMI IS NOT A NAKIRI! Which means Erina's mother is a blonde Nakiri. Kind of see the theory Souma and Erina r siblings collapse.

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

Be careful you fanboy is showing, first of all I don't care for Erina so I don't know where you got the whole tsudere hater thing *cough*myavatar*cough*

Ah no, I means u guys who complain about new developments r tsundere people not tsundere characters.

[rantaid]

i was at loss with the purpose of aizen's teaching.

Did he want to make erina as world class professional food judge/critic , rather than world class chef?

Even Huiyu of Liangshan bandit's method from Chuuka Ichiban was much more acceptable. i don't see him teaching any spartan chef skill. the only sensible thing he did was twisting erina's arm with indian burn rather than hitting her to avoid more direct physical injury which might hinder her from cooking.

[Starway]

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[Diluc]

so did Azami-chan became sort of mafia chef in usa
what did he do to expand his influence?
challenge the world with Shogukeki ROFL

i am just lol'ed for Erina past, Azami-chan pretty much a pitiful guy who have unhealthy obsession toward the food so he treat his daughter soo badly to embrace food decently in his way.

[ninjastarforcex]

"hmm let's shift all the blame to azami, erina has a reason to be asshole prick, so now, please like her okay?" -author

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by Roxis

so did Azami-chan became sort of mafia chef in usa
what did he do to expand his influence?
challenge the world with Shogukeki ROFL

i am just lol'ed for Erina past, Azami-chan pretty much a pitiful guy who have unhealthy obsession toward the food so he treat his daughter soo badly to embrace food decently in his way.

Worst of all, his master plan revolving around brainwashing Erina.