Character Discussion - Lelouch

[Dann of Thursday]

Yeah, I suppose the fact she's trying to be strong despite everything might impress him. It's just so weird. I guess I figured he might be the one guy in this show who was actually not that great a person.

[Irenicus]

Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

He might be impressed that she's trying to actually do something despite her handicap. The Emperor doesn't really seem like that bad a guy compared to other Britannian's. Yeah he's a hardcore might makes right guy and takes over land, but he's yet to be shown getting his kicks from oppressing and slaughtering others.

Oh, and I don't know, how about the short scene that shows his reaction to the Euphie incident?

"Mwahahaha *said something* Mwahahaha!"

It's a bit ambiguous what he was laughing about but he certainly was laughing around. Mwahaha. And stuff. Maybe he thought it was ironic; maybe he was laughing alongside a sizable part of the fanbase (lol pwnage! epic twist!); maybe it was another step towards the success of his mysterious plan, fighting the gods or something; maybe he wanted the prodigal son to be like him, cold-hearted bastard and all, and killing his first love sounded like as good a step as any; or maybe he thought tens of thousands of dead Japanese was utterly freaking funny, who knows.

[Dann of Thursday]

That scene did seem to make him rather sinister, but maybe there was more to it then him just being happy about it.

[DeotoxSlayer]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

That scene did seem to make him rather sinister, but maybe there was more to it then him just being happy about it.

Yea, but he wasn't laughing at the Massacre itself. Right before he started laughing he said"That fool actually did it"(or something to that effect) I'm assuming that he found what Lelouch did funny not the massacre itself.

[Aquaman OS]

Yeah while the Emperor practices an "evil" style of beliefs and lifestyle he's yet to resort to baby eating supervilliany like some other Britannian's (cheerfully destroying ghettos, enslaving the Japanese, making Japanese brothers fight each other etc)

[Kaze]

Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

Yeah while the Emperor practices an "evil" style of beliefs and lifestyle he's yet to resort to baby eating supervilliany like some other Britannian's (cheerfully destroying ghettos, enslaving the Japanese, making Japanese brothers fight each other etc)

I thought he was already doing those? even Lelouch told C.C in Season 1:
"No, he makes them fight"


Edit:
Whoops, mis-read, I thought it said "Making brothers fight each other" my bad :3

[KrimzonStriker]

No actually, that was about how he encouraged the nobility to compete and fight with one another for their titles which Lelouch blames for killing his mother in the end and crippling Nunnally <_<

[Kaze]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

No actually, that was about how he encouraged the nobility to compete and fight with one another for their titles which Lelouch blames for killing his mother in the end and crippling Nunnally <_<

I know, that's why I said I misread

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by DeotoxSlayer

Yea, but he wasn't laughing at the Massacre itself. Right before he started laughing he said"That fool actually did it"(or something to that effect) I'm assuming that he found what Lelouch did funny not the massacre itself.

If anything, his reaction is exactly the same as Diethardt.

Diethardt was literally laughing inside and filled with joy because he knew this was one of the possible scenarios Lelouch would come out of it.

"This is beautiful, I didn't think you'd have the guts to pull this off Zero but this is better than expected."

The Emperor yelled, "He did it! He actually DID IT!"

It was never about the massacre, it was about whether or not he would actually fall to such a low ball move and that's what he was laughing about.

[yezhanquan]

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

If anything, his reaction is exactly the same as Diethardt.

Diethardt was literally laughing inside and filled with joy because he knew this was one of the possible scenarios Lelouch would come out of it.

"This is beautiful, I didn't think you'd have the guts to pull this off Zero but this is better than expected."

The Emperor yelled, "He did it! He actually DID IT!"

It was never about the massacre, it was about whether or not he would actually fall to such a low ball move and that's what he was laughing about.

That's why I never felt that Lelouch was any different from Suzaku, and I can't understand why people seemed to compare Suzaku to the devil, but treat Lelouch in a different manner.

[Aquaman OS]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

That's why I never felt that Lelouch was any different from Suzaku, and I can't understand why people seemed to compare Suzaku to the devil, but treat Lelouch in a different manner.

That's ok it really never made any sense to begin with. The Suzaku-Lelouch double standard is outright hilarious at times.

[Jestersage]

There is a difference:
Suzaku thinks that whatever he does is justice.
Lelouch, even back in season 1, understand that he need to destroy everything to rebuild – that is, he need to be evil. In season 2, he reaffirm that he will become evil to fight evil, even if evil will still remain.

The difference is that Suzaku is a hypocrat, and Lelouch is just a magnificant bastard.

[yezhanquan]

In that case, I'll take a hypocrite over a bastard anytime.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

In that case, I'll take a hypocrite over a bastard anytime.

Easier said than done. I can guarantee you will prefer a honest bastard to a dishonest hypocrite, because at least the bastard is honest.

As an example, currently Lulu just forced Suzaku to follow his own words about "Changing Japan on the inside". Suzaku was going to object to Nunnally setting up a special zone, because he is the Emperor's Servant and must do what the Emperor wants. Nunnally shut him up by saying this is what Euphie wanted.

Now, Suzaku WANT to object. He said it himself in the DVD extras, that he doesn't really care about Euphie's special zone. But because he pretend that he does, Suzaku is forced to keep quiet.

Suzaku knows that if Zero get involved, the Special Zone might actually WORK. This will eventually force the Empire to demand that it be shut down, and he would have to kill Nunnally as a KotR.
The point about a hypocrite is that he will not admit to his hypocrisy until the very last minute. He will resist revealing his true nature until there is no choice, before going full blown insane and kill everyone.

[yezhanquan]

I still say there's plenty of time. Just continue to see the show. I think Suzaku will be ruthless enough to reach his goals, and clear-minded enough to know who he's deceiving. A self-conscious hypocrite who isn't afraid to use it: kudos to him, if he is one.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

I still say there's plenty of time. Just continue to see the show. I think Suzaku will be ruthless enough to reach his goals, and clear-minded enough to know who he's deceiving. A self-conscious hypocrite who isn't afraid to use it: kudos to him, if he is one.

Hah, haven't we already seen that in Lelouch?

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

I still say there's plenty of time. Just continue to see the show. I think Suzaku will be ruthless enough to reach his goals, and clear-minded enough to know who he's deceiving. A self-conscious hypocrite who isn't afraid to use it: kudos to him, if he is one.

A hypocrite can't be self-conscious. It's an oxymoron. If Suzaku was self-conscious, he would make up his mind if he wanted Japan freed or not. And he would also make up his mind if he actually wanted to change Britannia on the inside, rather than just offering lip service.

Lulu has now called Suzaku's bluff, by starting to do what Suzaku claim he was doing. The true self of Suzaku will win eventually, which means I can say with 50/50 odds that he would try to kill Nunnally at some stage.
"I have to do it! I have no choice!"
Sound familiar to anyone?

Japan will be free over Suzaku's dead body.

[yezhanquan]

Hands up to those who think that Suzaku can't make up his mind on what to do.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

The true self of Suzaku will win eventually, which means I can say with 50/50 odds that he would try to kill Nunnally at some stage.
"I have to do it! I have no choice!"
Sound familiar to anyone?

Well, I've heard it said that the directors/storywritters did say that he'd do something this season that'd make him want to kill himself; perhaps this would be it then. Ah well, if he do - or even try to - really kill her, then the shit has truly hit the fan and Suzaku'll no longer be able to deny his true desire...

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Hands up to those who think that Suzaku can't make up his mind on what to do.

Suzaku has already made up his mind. He want Britannia to rule the planet to justify him killing his father. The fact that he can't admit to that and instead make up excuses and say contradictory things, is why Zero is now working with Nunnally.

Suzaku can't openly oppose the Special Zone. Because that would be admitting hypocrisy. At least, not yet. He just need the Emperor's orders before he could justify putting a bullet in Nunnally's skull.