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2009-10-22, 11:26 | Link #822 |
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Kyon has shown evidence of being physically attracted to just about every female in the series so far, which is exactly how it should be. For one, they're all attractive, since in fiction every woman is attractive unless being physically unattractive is part of their character, and second, Kyon's as horny a teenage male as the next guy (unless the next guy is Taniguchi).
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2009-10-22, 11:44 | Link #823 | |
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Though I disagree with your comment about every fictional female being attractive barring unattractiveness as a feature. It may be very common, sure, but writers have been offering up women of every appearance, from AA+ to F (lol Taniguchi) for centuries, even in Fantasy and Science Fiction. That being said, I do sympathize with the man. It has to take some serious resolve to keep on the straight and narrow when, for instance, a beauty like Tsuruya offers to bathe with him. I also can't sympathize with him because that's a problem a lot of people would like to have with any of the Melancholy girls.
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2009-10-22, 13:30 | Link #824 |
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People are taking things Kyon says at face value again.
It's useful to look at what he actually does rather than what he says... probably the best example of what I'm talking about is how absolutely NUTS he goes in Disappearance when he finds out that Haruhi still exists. He explodes at Taniguchi and then runs out of the room to go find her before his rationality can kick in. That's how strongly he feels. |
2009-10-22, 13:38 | Link #825 | |
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His words, however, can be taken into account when they're consistent with his actions, so they may be helpful as elaboration from time to time.
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2009-10-22, 14:06 | Link #827 | |
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Or I could direct you to the scene shortly following, where he's anticipating Yuki's arrival, and then proceeds to blackmail a data-god for her sake to provide a counterpoint about how strongly he feels about her. This is what I'm saying, there are multiple angles to everything. All I'm trying to do is lay out some possibilities by playing devil's advocate and maybe bring more people to the joyful position of neutrality where they can appreciate all the various possibilities.
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I'm just saying he really, really wanted Haruhi back. Not just his world, he wanted that too, obviously, but he really wanted Haruhi back. Like I said, he almost enacted physical violence on Taniguchi. It takes a lot to drive Kyon into a state like that. He missed her, deeply. Quote:
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2009-10-22, 14:30 | Link #829 |
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I guess for me, as much as I enjoy Kyon x Haruhi moments, it always seems like he appreciates the craziness she brings to his life while simultaneously being worn out by it. She gave him back his motivation to do something other than coast through life, and he no doubt values that. I don't think anyone in their right mind would contest that Haruhi has become dear to him: in her are invested many great hopes he'd previously thought dead.
However, I just don't see any implications of his feelings for her being stronger or more romantic than his feelings towards anyone else. Any kind of subtext reading you could apply to his moments with Haruhi also produces the same effects--with a different foundation, sure--when applied to his moments with Yuki. The simplest answer to me, then, seems that he's amorous about Mikuru, but has a more cultivated, complex and confusing dynamic with both Haruhi and Yuki. Don't get me wrong, I like that ambiguity, because it yields interesting discussions like this that keep our minds flexible, and I get to see your ideas (and I hope you know that just because I'm prodding them for further discussion doesn't necessarily mean I disagree and I certainly respect your opinions since you're clearly using your head). It's also nice because without officially solidified 'shipping' in the canon, neither dynamic derails the other. I guess I just see them as being at roughly equal points, even if Haruhi gets an exposure bonus for being more emotional than Yuki. Edit: Also, I get what you're saying about emotional investment. I really do. All that really comes down to is personal reading style, though. I'm diagnosed Obsessive Compulsive, and I have a tendency to worry myself into the ground if I have an indication that I've overlooked something. I'm the kind of guy who beats himself up aggressively when he misses a detail. That being said, it's not so much that I'm apathetic to the romance of the story, rather that I try to enjoy every part that is well presented. So if, for instance, there's something really moving along Haruhi x Kyon lines, I'm a Haruhi x Kyon fan in that moment. If there's something like that in a Yuki x Kyon moment, I become a Yuki x Kyon fan. Kyon and Itsuki had an argument towards the end of book six that was just fascinating to me, and I wanted to see them argue more. Tsuruya mind-screws poor Kyon with her off-hand come-ons, and suddenly I'm wondering what it would be like if she meant the things she said.
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2009-10-22, 17:09 | Link #831 |
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Who says she doesn't? For someone so admittedly interested in sitting on the sideline and watching the show, you would think she'd be quite intrigued by the man in the middle of it all. There's flirting and then there's flirting.
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2009-10-22, 17:19 | Link #832 | |
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I'll say this: from what we have seen of Tsuruya--and it's not enough, in my mind--I can see Kyon falling for her pretty hard if they spent more time together, and I can see that being a very interesting dynamic. It would be nice of Tsuruya was explored in some greater depth, but something tells me this will be one of those series that ends with a lot of fans picking up the torch of whatever they enjoyed most since only the central arc of the story will be tied off.
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2009-10-23, 11:16 | Link #838 |
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His actions in the "Yukiverse" from Disappearance, mostly.
If that isn't enough, consider how he treats people:
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2009-10-23, 11:35 | Link #839 | |
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I am unable to disagree about the other points, tough. Specially about T&K, he really should be nicier to them. I believe you exagerate a bit, tough. He is not that rude. While I don't agree with how Kyon treat them, I understand why Koizumi and Taniguchi annoy him. (I completely agree about Mikuru, tough. I don't believe this is that bad, however.) |
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2009-10-23, 11:40 | Link #840 | |
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Also... Kyon's treatment of Haruhi is one of my big issues with KyonHaruhi as a romance, honestly. I disagree with Heatth here; a lot of what Kyon complains about isn't that big of a deal - it's not "pure nonsense". Like in the making of Haruhi's movie... Kyon griped over every signal little creative decision Haruhi made. Not all of Haruhi's creative decisions were pure nonsense. Some of them were fine, and not worth complaining over (such as making Yuki a witch with a cat familiar - kind of makes sense given what Yuki was wearing for a completely unrelated school event). Kyon really needs to loosen up on Haruhi, and let some of her eccentricity slide more often. It's not always as big a deal as he makes it out to be, imo. Just to be clear, I don't think that Kyon is a bad guy, but he's too anal retentive. He really needs to learn to unclench sometimes...
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