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DragonOsman · 2020-06-20, 17:16

He had a complete backup in 73. He just took that back. Or at least that's what he said. But yeah, he may not need to use magic now since, as you said, he's the strongest guy on Earth at the moment.

But yeah, Vegeta really should've just killed him when he had the chance.

Tong · 2020-07-20, 14:57

Damn, that was starting to look really grim. Is this the first time in DBS where such serious wound was inflincted on a main character?
Also yea, they definitely dont want Fusions to be a thing in this arc either...

GDB · 2020-07-20, 16:01

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Originally Posted by Tong

Is this the first time in DBS where such serious wound was inflincted on a main character?

RIP Yamcha.

But in all seriousness, this arc just got boring. He now has 73's power, and apparently it was his in the first place, and he now has no time limit. So he's just like every other damned villain after Frieza and will regenerate from any otherwise damaging attack.

Logically this means Vegeta's technique now does nothing. But it'll still probably work because reasons.

justavisitor · 2020-07-20, 17:15

Some random thoughts:
Picoolo: It's useless to go fusion! (meanwhile the fused Moro has no problem toying with Vegeta and dodging the forced fission technique)

Speaking of Vegeta, the proclaimed battle genius once again charges alone so others can see how strong Moro really is

It will never change, but Goku has been too relaxed ever since the beginning of buu saga. He has been dead before and he knows what does the afterlife look like, but he should now remember that got punched through a hole in the body is still a painful way to die. Hopefully there will be no more "Hey Vegeta, it's my turn now!", but who I am kidding?

Gohan's punch filled with anger is just as effective as his father in law punching Cell back then

Dende: I only have enough time to save one, who should I choose? Gohan is my buddy and he has the biggest potential!

Picoolo with his last sentence before he dies: This is Dragonball super! not DBZ!!

DragonOsman · 2020-07-20, 18:09

Merus and one other Angel have come to the rescue. It's most likely Whis.

I wonder what Whis will do. Revive Goku and heal the others? But if that's all he does, it won't really help them beat the current Moro. He might turn back time to before Moro fused with 73 and heal Goku, then give him and the others a chance to kill Moro before he fuses with 73. But might be a bit too predictable (I wonder if that matters?).

I guess there's no for Goku to master Ultra Instinct right after getting revived (if Whis can do this) unless Whis has some way help him do it.

Kanon · 2020-07-20, 18:40

The violence is sweet and all (and no, not the first time a good guy received such a grievous wound, in fact Goku's wound look really similar to the one Piccolo gave him during their fight) but otherwise this chapter is terrible. Moro is such a massive disappointment. He started out with a lot of potential: he had a unique design and was said to be a sorcerer from millions of years ago meaning unique powers. His design gradually became less unique until it's now generic DB design, and his powers which were never original have now become generic as well since he just uses the good guys' techniques just like Cell or Boo once did.

It doesn't even make sense for Moro to weaken the good guys. He keeps saying he's here to eat them, and clearly the more energy they have, the better the meal, so why not initiate his energy absorption technique which only UIO Goku can dodge? Instead he let them waste their energy and put them on the brink of death. Oh and I can get why the time limit wouldn't apply to his own powers since they were his to begin with, but what's the logic behind him being able to keep all the abilities he copies permanently?

All that lecturing and Whis openly helps Dende. Tell me again how he isn't a hypocrite? He probably won't do anything more, but it's still interference.

DragonOsman · 2020-07-20, 18:45

Whis' excuse might be that Dende is Earth's God. But that probably takes some mental gymnastics to reason through.

You're right on everything else.

justavisitor · 2020-07-20, 19:11

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Originally Posted by Kanon

All that lecturing and Whis openly helps Dende. Tell me again how he isn't a hypocrite? He probably won't do anything more, but it's still interference.

Whis's cloth in front has some geometry shape-liked decoration. The one we see doesn't. It's more like what Merus wears as an angle.

Mad Pierrot · 2020-07-20, 19:52

Mother of plot armors. If Goku doesn't survive to that big hole (even bigger than the Makankosappo) , he will reach his fourth death.

Kanon · 2020-07-21, 06:44

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Originally Posted by justavisitor

Whis's cloth in front has some geometry shape-liked decoration. The one we see doesn't. It's more like what Merus wears as an angle.

Dende recognized the person who helped him, did he meet Merus before? I can't remember.

justavisitor · 2020-07-21, 09:24

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Originally Posted by Kanon

Dende recognized the person who helped him, did he meet Merus before? I can't remember.

I don't remember either. But I thought Dende has an ability to know most of the things even tho he is not present. He is an Earth God after all

Kanon · 2020-07-21, 18:13

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Originally Posted by justavisitor

I don't remember either. But I thought Dende has an ability to know most of the things even tho he is not present. He is an Earth God after all

That's true. He could have seen Goku and Vegeta get knocked out by Merus when he came to Earth.

Shadow5YA · 2020-07-21, 18:46

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All that lecturing and Whis openly helps Dende. Tell me again how he isn't a hypocrite? He probably won't do anything more, but it's still interference.

If he's doing it under Beerus's request, it's technically not breaking the rules.

Galaxian · 2020-07-21, 21:25

Can we all agree that this arc should have focused on Vegeta, his guilt over his actions during the original Namek saga, his desire for atonement, the fact that despite all the good he has done he still believes himself irredeemable, and that this arc should have ended with Vegeta defeating Moro with the Spirit Fission technique?

Tong · 2020-07-22, 11:11

This arc should end with someone bringing Broly, that would be fun.

DragonOsman · 2020-07-22, 11:14

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Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

If he's doing it under Beerus's request, it's technically not breaking the rules.

It's probably just Merus. Maybe with Beerus' and/or Whis' permission. But yeah.

Galaxian · 2020-08-20, 10:42

Once again, the manga misses it's exit.

the best route would have been Vegeta beating Moro. Having failed that, Merus sacrificing himself to defeat Moro would have have been acceptable, but no instead Merus sacrifices himself to just weaken Moro and trigger Master UI on Goku...

Kanon · 2020-08-20, 11:21

If this just ends with MUI Goku beating Moro and Vegeta not doing anything, I'm going to be mad.

Merus getting erased was pretty much a given, and I suppose they couldn't have a guy who just showed up this arc be the one to beat the big bad, so having him seal off Moro's copy ability is something at least. It will definitely make the fight a lot easier.

Glad it was clarified that Angels are allowed to act if their God of Destruction asks them to, even if it means picking a side.

justavisitor · 2020-08-20, 15:17

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Originally Posted by Galaxian

... Having failed that, Merus sacrificing himself to defeat Moro would have have been acceptable, but no instead Merus sacrifices himself to just weaken Moro and trigger Master UI on Goku...

I know, eh? If you have to vanish anyway, might as well take Moro with you...Well, guess we could convince ourselves that, the more real power Merus is going to use, the faster he will disappear, so that is the best Merus can do...

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If this just ends with MUI Goku beating Moro and Vegeta not doing anything, I'm going to be mad.

Even if Vegeta is going to do something, his new technique is already a moot point. You can't catch a much more powerful fused opponent for your technique to take effect, and you don't need that technique against a fused opponent that is much weaker than you. The best way to use this new technique is to be a faithful Goku's sidekick, let the much more powerful UI Goku to distract the opponent so you can sneak in and make it work...poor Vegeta

Wandering Soul · 2020-08-20, 21:39

RIP Merus. It's too bad that in the end you merely existed to weaken Moro and help Goku master UI so he can solve everything.

2020-06-20, 17:16	Link #821
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	He had a complete backup in 73. He just took that back. Or at least that's what he said. But yeah, he may not need to use magic now since, as you said, he's the strongest guy on Earth at the moment. But yeah, Vegeta really should've just killed him when he had the chance. __________________

2020-07-20, 14:57	Link #822
Tong Many RPGs, Little Time Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: BR Age: 32	Damn, that was starting to look really grim. Is this the first time in DBS where such serious wound was inflincted on a main character? Also yea, they definitely dont want Fusions to be a thing in this arc either... __________________

2020-07-20, 17:15	Link #824
justavisitor Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Earth	Some random thoughts: Picoolo: It's useless to go fusion! (meanwhile the fused Moro has no problem toying with Vegeta and dodging the forced fission technique) Speaking of Vegeta, the proclaimed battle genius once again charges alone so others can see how strong Moro really is It will never change, but Goku has been too relaxed ever since the beginning of buu saga. He has been dead before and he knows what does the afterlife look like, but he should now remember that got punched through a hole in the body is still a painful way to die. Hopefully there will be no more "Hey Vegeta, it's my turn now!", but who I am kidding? Gohan's punch filled with anger is just as effective as his father in law punching Cell back then Dende: I only have enough time to save one, who should I choose? Gohan is my buddy and he has the biggest potential! Picoolo with his last sentence before he dies: This is Dragonball super! not DBZ!! __________________ Come and join Ranka Lee Fanclub !!! Join our club and you will see 1)Ranka pics 2)Ranka/Alto pic 3)Relatively Sane discussion about Ranka 4)amv for Ranka To all old and new Sheryl fans: I am a Ranka fan and I have significant experience in defending various "crimes" committed by Ranka, from her evil plan to terminate human races, to feeding inapporiate food to unknown lifeforms. If you think you find "new" charges aginst Ranka and you are interested, or you care to see how a particular Ranka fan would respond, please feel free to check my previous comment. There is a good chance that I have answered a similiar issue. And of course, my viewpoints do not necessarily represent other perspectivs from numerous Ranka fans in this planet

2020-07-20, 18:09	Link #825
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	Merus and one other Angel have come to the rescue. It's most likely Whis. I wonder what Whis will do. Revive Goku and heal the others? But if that's all he does, it won't really help them beat the current Moro. He might turn back time to before Moro fused with 73 and heal Goku, then give him and the others a chance to kill Moro before he fuses with 73. But might be a bit too predictable (I wonder if that matters?). I guess there's no for Goku to master Ultra Instinct right after getting revived (if Whis can do this) unless Whis has some way help him do it. __________________

2020-07-20, 18:40	Link #826
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	The violence is sweet and all (and no, not the first time a good guy received such a grievous wound, in fact Goku's wound look really similar to the one Piccolo gave him during their fight) but otherwise this chapter is terrible. Moro is such a massive disappointment. He started out with a lot of potential: he had a unique design and was said to be a sorcerer from millions of years ago meaning unique powers. His design gradually became less unique until it's now generic DB design, and his powers which were never original have now become generic as well since he just uses the good guys' techniques just like Cell or Boo once did. It doesn't even make sense for Moro to weaken the good guys. He keeps saying he's here to eat them, and clearly the more energy they have, the better the meal, so why not initiate his energy absorption technique which only UIO Goku can dodge? Instead he let them waste their energy and put them on the brink of death. Oh and I can get why the time limit wouldn't apply to his own powers since they were his to begin with, but what's the logic behind him being able to keep all the abilities he copies permanently? All that lecturing and Whis openly helps Dende. Tell me again how he isn't a hypocrite? He probably won't do anything more, but it's still interference. __________________

2020-07-20, 18:45	Link #827
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	Whis' excuse might be that Dende is Earth's God. But that probably takes some mental gymnastics to reason through. You're right on everything else. __________________

2020-07-20, 19:52	Link #829
Mad Pierrot Corrupted fool Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: I'm everywhere Age: 33	Mother of plot armors. If Goku doesn't survive to that big hole (even bigger than the Makankosappo) , he will reach his fourth death. __________________

2020-07-21, 21:25	Link #834
Galaxian Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2013	Can we all agree that this arc should have focused on Vegeta, his guilt over his actions during the original Namek saga, his desire for atonement, the fact that despite all the good he has done he still believes himself irredeemable, and that this arc should have ended with Vegeta defeating Moro with the Spirit Fission technique?

2020-07-22, 11:11	Link #835
Tong Many RPGs, Little Time Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: BR Age: 32	This arc should end with someone bringing Broly, that would be fun. __________________

2020-08-20, 10:42	Link #837
Galaxian Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2013	Once again, the manga misses it's exit. the best route would have been Vegeta beating Moro. Having failed that, Merus sacrificing himself to defeat Moro would have have been acceptable, but no instead Merus sacrifices himself to just weaken Moro and trigger Master UI on Goku...

2020-08-20, 11:21	Link #838
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	If this just ends with MUI Goku beating Moro and Vegeta not doing anything, I'm going to be mad. Merus getting erased was pretty much a given, and I suppose they couldn't have a guy who just showed up this arc be the one to beat the big bad, so having him seal off Moro's copy ability is something at least. It will definitely make the fight a lot easier. Glad it was clarified that Angels are allowed to act if their God of Destruction asks them to, even if it means picking a side. __________________

2020-08-20, 21:39	Link #840
Wandering Soul Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: America	RIP Merus. It's too bad that in the end you merely existed to weaken Moro and help Goku master UI so he can solve everything. __________________