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18 | 22.78% |
9 out of 10 : Excellent |
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16 | 20.25% |
8 out of 10 : Very Good |
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19 | 24.05% |
7 out of 10 : Good |
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7 | 8.86% |
6 out of 10 : Average |
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8 | 10.13% |
5 out of 10 : Below Average |
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4 | 5.06% |
4 out of 10 : Poor |
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3 | 3.80% |
3 out of 10 : Bad |
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1 | 1.27% |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad |
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1 | 1.27% |
1 out of 10 : Painful |
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2 | 2.53% |
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I'm not saying that the Mib are stupid, they might not be thinking very clearly because they are under attack. They could be under a good deal off stress and therefore they might be making mistakes. One last thing, Raftella most likely wont be alive for much longer so you really dont need to put so much hate on that subject. she will either die from her wounds or be killed by a Mib ninja, Roxanne, Cassandra.
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Ryus made a huge post saying every little thing saying why raki can be a claymore. You still can’t say for sure that he is a human. I am simple too lazy to do something like that. «Again, they used their claymore warriors for protection, but now they don't have any left (other than the 3 #1s) so all they have are the Mib ninjas which are more like bandits, or weak guards, not meant for real combat.» You are running from the main point. They, the mib, have possibility to choice to have expert soldiers because they are on the same situation that the usa were when they were building their best weapon. Do you think that the mainland is not going to send their best material to the only research that will save their lifes ? It does not need to be elite warriors, only normal warriors. If raki was humans than he cant beat normal warriors. Don’t forget that yagi never made humans to do inhuman things before, so, why now ? Quote:
Yes I know that, just saying the ones that usually call them that. I know that you didn’t say that Last edited by rafael1932; 2011-09-08 at 19:24. |
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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Well, of course a whole scale rebellion wasn't exactly on their plans. But that's not the point here. The point is: the MiBjas are not warriors: they don't behave like well trained and experienced warriors, they certainly are not very skilled at fighting and also they're not properly equipped to fight at all. Quote:
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you know what forget it. i am tired of debating Raki with Raki haters. it is like telling apples to be more like oranges, it will never work for either side.
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Join Date: May 2009
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For someone (Rafael) to say they hold half the world is overly-presumptious. Quote:
So people need to update themselves and their own definition of what is and what isn't inhuman. Just because we see humans being bad-asses doesn't mean their is anything inhuman about them.
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Join Date: May 2009
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I think, largely, what this confusion is, is like this: Cool=Inhuman; apparently if you see a character doing something cool, then it must be inhuman, which means they have to be a hybrid or something. That's obviously laughable. One may question why, if the ninjas are so useless if fighting, why they are even there -- perhaps they are their for the trainees, fresh from the transformation, who don't know a single thing about fighting to keep them in line -- thus, they are equiped with light non-lethal weaponry to pelt them into obedience. The thing is, is that their is very little suggesting that the Organization has "expert military guys" on the island because the hybrids really just train themselves -- the training, from what I recall from Extra Chapter 4, is really just the Hybrids surviving on their own. Their is no one-on-one training or any such thing (that would probably be considered "excessive" or such nonsense)...they are all lumped into one group, and sent off on excersizes -- if you want to live, you better figure it out your own way, very fast. The last trial against that Yoma is essentially just that: you don't know what the heck is going on, nobody's prepared you for anything, but their's a giant man-eating Yoma lurking around, so if you're going to survive, you'd better find a way now. The cold cruelty of it all is extremely dog-eat-dog which has always been the way things work on the island. That's a part of why their is such independence and isolation in the warriors, since they have been taught since day 1, not to rely on anybody -- The Organization doesn't baby them whatsoever, and the other warriors (alongside the other trauma and heart-ache they've been through) learn quickly that the person next to them may end up awakening and they'd have to kill them, so they keep to themselves and away from everybody. At the very very most, the Organization teaches them basic techniques, but even then, the warriors do everything on their own, which is why so many warriors are so unique from eachother in terms of techniques, abilities; you think they actually spend time with the warriors, learning about them and trying to bring out their full potential? Hell no -- even if they are prodigous warriors like Teresa, Luciella/Rafaela, Priscilla etc....the Organization has always shown a extremely strong uncaring attitude because that's just the way they are -- if somebody dies, they'll get another; if a whole generation dies, they'll get another. Point blank, No; I could go on, but I'll just sum it up right here -- their are no highly-trained human military men on the island. That's part of what has always made the Organization so weak in that perspective, because all they had was their hybrids -- the MiB's themselves are all scientists, and essentially corporate people, who are now even cut off from eachother, that they are splintering from the inside out. The warriors themselves are always almost entirely self-trained which is an explanation (from small to big) on several things -- for one, why they are so unique from eachother and why their is often a large "strange" gap between warriors often who aren't that far apart from eachother (the reason could be several, such as experience, potential etc...we know the Org doesn't look into or care enough about these kinds of things), and why, again, their are (partly) so distant from eachother. One (again, small) reason why the Ghosts are so close to eachother is because they can fight and spar with eachother - to them, it's like a form of social bonding; being able to fight together and help eachother raise their skills. Everyone's naturally unique in personality, but warriors still usually aren't the most vocal or happy bunch -- even the Ghosts, with all the time they spend, still have a rift between eachother in the skeletons they all keep in their closets and secrets from eachother (up-front, Miria going to the Org alone is probably the biggest we've seen) -- the affection between them is a silent one, and a small part of that probably stems from the fact they can duel with eachother and help everyone survive better. If anything, that could, beyond the other-side having the DoD's, why they are losing -- they are simply too corporate, cold, and indepedent -- it's one thing for the leadership to be cut off from everyone below you working for you, but if the leadership even includes other members who are secretly working against eachother for their own ideals....then it's no wonder why Rubel has managed to stay hidden for so long; being a sleazy guy who's only out for himself is part of being an MiB.
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/shrug. About the soldiers and their spears, it seems to me as well that they are there mostly to do menial every day tasks and handle the trainees, whom before the "indoctrination" might in some cases cause problems (remember that most of them are not there out of their own will, and have been sold/ given to the org by their own parents or villages. |
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Join Date: May 2009
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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Well it’s time I shared my opinion on this chapter. We got to see Cassandra’s infamous technique and it is as cruel and merciless as it is useful and practical. Roxanne called it ugliest and saddest technique a number one ever had but IMO willingness to do ugly stuff like that is what separates those who get to be number one like Cassandra from those who get stuck on lower ranks like Galatea. Also I think that the fact that Roxanne’s chose not to learn that technique will come back to bite her.
Raftela is alive. Well of course she is. I would have been more surprised if she really was dead. I mean come on just a couple of holes is not likely to kill a warrior. Apparently the Organization chose not to finish her off while she was down. Why? To be perfectly honest, I really don’t care. I’m not going to ask every little thing to be explained to me. And I know for sure that they knew she was alive because they disarmed her (she doesn't have her sword in this chapter). Anyway Raftela is currently messing with Cassandra’s head which, if my predictions are true, will become crucial for the future events. I understand the concept behind Miria's "beyond limit" phantom but as many had said before what happens when Hysteria decides to release her yoki? I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. Anyway I still give Miria thumbs up for being the first one to successfully hurt her opponent. Spoiler for What might happen in future chapters:
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Puff The Magic Dragon
Join Date: Jun 2011
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Yes i find his/her post difficult to understand, But interpret them the best i can. I am pretty sure they don't like Raftella or Raki.
As for who teaches the trainees, Who really does train them? is it the ninja guys or do they have someone special to train them? maybe it is another claymore that teaches them, a claymore whose purpose is only to train them.
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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it seemed even quite good what rafael came up with. But as long as you have to translate them first from rafael1932 to english it is no use. He should put more effort into it.
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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![]() That aside, being able to move around like that in full plate mail is definitely on the level of "inhuman" that people are putting Raki into. You'd be lucky to jump 3 feet, much less around on rooftops, in a full set of armor like that. Keep in mind that Galk also proved strong enough to prevent a particularly large yoma from pulling its fingers out of him. Not to mention how far the Rabona Guard seem able to throw full fledged Halberds (those were not spears) at Agatha. Simply, rule of cool takes precedence in this case. The only way to portray Raki's extreme level of ability is to have him perform actions beyond a "normal" person, but that doesn't necessarily make him a hybrid. Basically he is a "normal" shounen hero in a world populated by "inhuman" shounen heroines. His abilities are impressive, but I highly doubt he can take a hybrid of any real strength if they got serious. The possibility he is some sort of "demi-" hybrid certainly exist, but until it is explicitly stated or shown that he can use Yoki, I don't believe he has portrayed a level of ability that puts him in the same category is the Organization's warriors.
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Join Date: Jul 2008
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![]() People, please stop being bitchy to other users. No, Raki is not an hybrid, semi-hybrid, semi-trainee, and Clarice could mop the floor with him if her life depended on it. Someone (whose user name I will not read, because I do not want to) said that it was natural for Raftella not to die. Indeed, it was. I remember when she was allegedly killed, many users commented how weak/stupid/ridiculous was that she was murdered that way and that easily. However, once you have attacked her, it is obvious you have to finish her off. Otherwise, she will kill everyone. That's the stupid and illogical thing! That the org didn't finish her off. Yeah, Miss Cassie of the horrible technique will remember how her beloved friend Roxie of love and hate killed her. That's soo predictable that I hope if she remembers, she won't go against her, or just do something completely unimaginable. What else are you talking about? I have been so inmersed in my work, that I cannot do anything else. Last edited by Double_friedman; 2011-09-10 at 16:03. |
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