Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Discussion & News [Spoilers]

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by NyxOne

Well, the Innovators have direct access to CB tech. They can just counter it. Even if the 00 + Raiser brings the pain, Revive and/or Bring getting slapped about isn't enough to warrant an expression from Ribbons that looks like he's mortified out of his wits.

I'm not going to continue this, 'cause i've learn from past occasion's that it's 99% impossible to change your opinion. Let's just stick with our own opinions.

[NyxOne]

Well, just saying. Though, really, in all honesty, the death of an Innovator can indeed bring Ribbons to shock, Then again, the Raiser and 00 could do so...I'm just more doubtful of that.

[pingva]

From 12ep. preview I feel that one of the Innovators will be gone. Revive Revival is a good candidat to die, because his Gadessa is the easy target and he shows that he is arrogant like Ribbons.
On the other hand, you can think that Bring will die, because he shows that he is a competent pilot.

[LordStrike]

Originally Posted by NyxOne

Well, the Innovators have direct access to CB tech. They can just counter it. Even if the 00 + Raiser brings the pain, Revive and/or Bring getting slapped about isn't enough to warrant an expression from Ribbons that looks like he's mortified out of his wits.

old tech they do but new units and new stuff they don't as veda is not connected to them anymore so what ever CB did new in the couple of years that passed the innovators cant get there hands on that

[Miles Teg]

Originally Posted by pingva

From 12ep. preview I feel that one of the Innovators will be gone. Revive Revival is a good candidat to die, because his Gadessa is the easy target and he shows that he is arrogant like Ribbons.

From this screenshot it's easy to speculate that Revive will die, most of the time after an intense light in the cockpit the MS explode.

But the fact that this is show in the preview could favor Revive survival.

[NyxOne]

How could it favour his survival, might I ask?

[console65]

Originally Posted by Miles Teg

From this screenshot it's easy to speculate that Revive will die, most of the time after an intense light in the cockpit the MS explode.

But the fact that this is show in the preview could favor Revive survival.

Bye bye Revival.

And if he doesn't die, I hope his suit gets trashed and his cockpit explodes causing damage to him. It's nice to see the bad guy in a whole bunch of bandages and have an arm in a sling.

[Miles Teg]

Originally Posted by NyxOne

How could it favour his survival, might I ask?

What is shown in the preview is not necessary what will happen in the show, I think it's called a red herring in English (not too sure about that).

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by Miles Teg

What is shown in the preview is not necessary what will happen in the show, I think it's called a red herring in English (not too sure about that).

They rarely do that method of previews in real-robot shows like Gundam. Hell, the last anime I can remember actually doing that method of previews is GaoGaiGar.

[pingva]

Originally Posted by Miles Teg

From this screenshot it's easy to speculate that Revive will die, most of the time after an intense light in the cockpit the MS explode.

But the fact that this is show in the preview could favor Revive survival.

11ep. preview showed the light scene with Sergei and he survived. Maybe their are playing with our minds one person showed in the scene with the light in preview survived so now you would think that the same will be and the other time. So they can say to us surprise - we changed our minds.

[killbethy]

With all the hints with Marie/Soma feeling Quantum brainwaves, I have a feeling her purpose in CB might be to develop something to counteract them. CB is weak in four areas with being detected by the quantum brainwaves: Soma/Marie, Hallelujah now that he has awakened, Anew, and Tieria. The only way for them to fight on even ground is to figure out a way to make the members with quantum brainwaves undetectable, and since Marie is the only one noticing this (the Innovators found Anew without her even realizing it) is for her to take action. She also knows that it is possible since in S1 her mobile suit was modified to block them. My guess is this has to happen in the next episode or so (especially the shocked look on Ribbons face) for them to have the offensive operation in 13 ("Offensive Operation Memento Mori").

So speculations were right about Saji and the 0-Raizer. From the previews for 12, it looks like he will be able to overcome the fact that he is fighting Louise through a grieving period... The chances of him leaving CB are slim, since he can't do anything for Louise that way. All he can do is help CB win and try to keep her alive until the end of the fight.

If one character has no death flag at all, it would be Kati Mannequin. If she were lost, A-LAWS crumble at this point, since she is the only one with experience against Sumeragi. Part of me is starting to wonder if the possibility is there for Sumeragi to die and Kati to take her place at the tactical analyst for CB.

Another strange speculation: There has been so much talk in the scenes with Marina about how everything could change if people could sit down and talk with one another. With what just happened with 00Gundam combined with 0Raizer in Episode 11, this might make it possible.

[NyxOne]

And...why would Kati join CB?

[killbethy]

Originally Posted by NyxOne

And...why would Kati join CB?

Because her fighting has entered a personal level now that she knows Kujo/Sumeragi is the tactician for CB... also her line about her goal of being a strategic analysist is to minimize fighting. Now that Momento Mori has gone off, all it would take for her to flip sides is to realize what the Innovators are up to or the realization that if she is unable to eliminate CB, her goal of being a tactician to minimize fighting is pretty much rendered impossible. If she sees CB as the easiest way to minimize the casualties of war (and now A-LAWS is creating HUGE casualties by utilizing things like Memento Mori), I see no reason why she logically wouldn't switch sides or quit A-LAWs. She has already shown disgust with the killing of civilians when the automatons were unleashed on Kataron. Why wouldn't Memento Mori get under her skin even more? Not to mention, Memento Mori really had nothing to do with the "war" against CB, it was A-LAWs and the Federations own agenda.

[pingva]

Kati isn't going to join CB, but she may help them at some point, because she doesn't like A-LAWS. Remember CB doesn't represent any country or political goal, CB jus wants to destroy A-LAWS - it sounds like organization without the future. So more likely that if Kati is going to go somewhere it will be Katharon.

[killbethy]

Originally Posted by Miles Teg

From this screenshot it's easy to speculate that Revive will die, most of the time after an intense light in the cockpit the MS explode.

But the fact that this is show in the preview could favor Revive survival.

That could also be the light of 00Gundam in Trans-Am or synching with 0Raiser and him just being in the proximity to see it.

[killbethy]

Originally Posted by pingva

Kati isn't going to join CB, but she may help them at some point, because she doesn't like A-LAWS.

The only way I could see her joining is if something happened to Sumeragi... I think she would want to continue Sumeragi's dream. The chances of that are definitely pretty slim, I agree. But I honestly can't see her cooperating with A-LAWS for that much longer.



One other thing... the current ending sequence with the pictures of the Meisters (and Saji) and their reasons for fighting... The hand coming out of the cloud for Lockon has always been hazy. I wonder if it could be Anew?


Another random observation: Why isn't Hong Long with Liu Mei whenever she is with the Innovators?

[pingva]

Originally Posted by killbethy

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One other thing... the current ending sequence with the pictures of the Meisters (and Saji) and their reasons for fighting... The hand coming out of the cloud for Lockon has always been hazy. I wonder if it could be Anew?

Anew and mystierious person are both pale and tall.

[Mangaka-chan]

Originally Posted by Miles Teg

From this screenshot it's easy to speculate that Revive will die, most of the time after an intense light in the cockpit the MS explode.

But the fact that this is show in the preview could favor Revive survival.

I think it's showing Revive's surprise at seeing the 00 Raiser in action (it did put out a lot of GN particles). But there is always the possibility that Revive could bite the dust too.

[pingva]

Sumeragi's role model is Kati. Maybe at end Sumeragi will become a strong person like Kati and a tactician ("Instead of turning your eyes away from war, you commit to ending it as soon as possible."-that's what said the commander after friendly accident. Emilio is Sumeragi's reason why she joined CB(that what she shouldn't do in the first place, because that marked that Sumeragi lives in the past and running from the war)). Kati knows Sumeragi's thinking that war can be eradicated once and for all is a only a dream. We all know that Kati is right. So it's Sumeragi who is going back to live now and for the future and all thanks to Kati.
If you want that Kati maybe would go to CB you need to kill Patrick.

[Shiroth]

You people saying that Revive should die are just heartless. He/she is one of my favorite characters at the moment, and there's still the encounter with Anew that has to happen. Like i said in another thread, the mobile suit can be destroyed, but Revive can still survive.