Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Discussion & News [Spoilers]

[SuperJiwon]

The casualties I was attributing to Celestial Being do not end with who they themselves shot in the face. Their actions, under the direction of a plan centuries in the making, created a world where Memento Mori could be created. Do you think a device like that could be made in a world where the three super powers weren't united against Celestial Being and the chaos that they brought? Hell no, it would have been nuclear armageddon as soon as that thing was fired. True, they are being used as pawns, but they are willing pawns, blindly throwing their lives into some ambiguous agenda that they only see the target and not who they are killing to get there. They blindly believe that their path is the right path and to hell with anyone who gets killed as a result off their actions.
As for supporting terrorism, well the terrorists are being portrayed as alot more righteous than the people who are trying to supress them. (In fact, the high command staff of the A-Laws are pretty much all portayed as useless douchebags who can't do anything right besides being douchebags). The casualties they cause by their actions are glossed over(Louise's squad captain, Barrack Zinin, mentions that his family was killed by a Kathalon attack in like a 30 second long segment) where Kathalon pretty much dominates the show with their complaints of the injustice of the A-Laws). Plus, Kathalon is practically allied with Celestial Being, the "Good Guys" of Gundam 00, so they are probably going to emerge victorious with their oppressors, the "evil" federation, in ruins and good times had by all.
I have a feeling there really are no "Good Guys" in Gundam 00 at all. Just people angry at the world who want to destroy it, and the federation who want to take control of the world(but are doing it in a completely retarded way.) Maybe Marina, with her desires of peaceful reconciliation and her condemnation of violence, though she's often portrayed as being confused, depressed, emotional, and an all around weak character.

[LordStrike]

Originally Posted by SuperJiwon

The casualties I was attributing to Celestial Being do not end with who they themselves shot in the face. Their actions, under the direction of a plan centuries in the making, created a world where Memento Mori could be created. Do you think a device like that could be made in a world where the three super powers weren't united against Celestial Being and the chaos that they brought? Hell no, it would have been nuclear armageddon as soon as that thing was fired. True, they are being used as pawns, but they are willing pawns, blindly throwing their lives into some ambiguous agenda that they only see the target and not who they are killing to get there. They blindly believe that their path is the right path and to hell with anyone who gets killed as a result off their actions.
As for supporting terrorism, well the terrorists are being portrayed as alot more righteous than the people who are trying to supress them. (In fact, the high command staff of the A-Laws are pretty much all portayed as useless douchebags who can't do anything right besides being douchebags). The casualties they cause by their actions are glossed over(Louise's squad captain, Barrack Zinin, mentions that his family was killed by a Kathalon attack in like a 30 second long segment) where Kathalon pretty much dominates the show with their complaints of the injustice of the A-Laws). Plus, Kathalon is practically allied with Celestial Being, the "Good Guys" of Gundam 00, so they are probably going to emerge victorious with their oppressors, the "evil" federation, in ruins and good times had by all.
I have a feeling there really are no "Good Guys" in Gundam 00 at all. Just people angry at the world who want to destroy it, and the federation who want to take control of the world(but are doing it in a completely retarded way.) Maybe Marina, with her desires of peaceful reconciliation and her condemnation of violence, though she's often portrayed as being confused, depressed, emotional, and an all around weak character.

OMG you really like to write don't you?
ill trie to answer you little by little to lassy to read everything in 1 go

[Sir Dearka]

Originally Posted by brightman

The problem with that is that they do eat and drink. So "Number 1" has to come out of somewhere...

Erm, I'd not be that hasty for such realistic logic. Gundam 00 is stepping far into the realm of supa-robot than I expected it to, so I kinda'd still not be surprised if in fact they WERE like dolls. Maybe their bodies vaporize the food so it doesn't have to be dumped. Maybe there are other ways like vommiting... kinda fits the feminine and oh-so slender Innovators

[SuperJiwon]

I'm not making fun of you or anything but about your "ill trie to answer you little by little to lassy to read everything in 1 go" comment. What does the "lassy" part mean, or short for? Just curious.
And about liking to type, I never really thought of it, but usually I don't even write anything if I can't at least write a paragraph or two. I really need to get back to work though...such a non-productive Monday.

[Rising Dragon]

Have all of those in favor of the "sexless" argument completely forgotten how mentally unstable people with missing chromosomes become? They have to have a gender, otherwise you have mentally retarded 8 people, six of which are pulling the strings behind the entire world, another in charge of medical regeneration, and the eighth in a freaking Gundam. Yet these eight people are mentally stable without any mental disorders that we can see, and despite what people claim, they are biological and thus human.

[Papaya]

Originally Posted by rising dragon

have all of those in favor of the "sexless" argument completely forgotten how mentally unstable people with missing chromosomes become? They have to have a gender, otherwise you have mentally retarded 8 people, six of which are pulling the strings behind the entire world, another in charge of medical regeneration, and the eighth in a freaking gundam. Yet these eight people are mentally stable without any mental disorders that we can see, and despite what people claim, they are biological and thus human.

i heard in real life giant robots would topple over

[LordStrike]

Originally Posted by SuperJiwon

I'm not making fun of you or anything but about your "ill trie to answer you little by little to lassy to read everything in 1 go" comment. What does the "lassy" part mean, or short for? Just curious.
And about liking to type, I never really thought of it, but usually I don't even write anything if I can't at least write a paragraph or two. I really need to get back to work though...such a non-productive Monday.

it means you write to much crap you just taking Gundam 00 to damn serious.
if you cant see who the bad guy is between Ali and lock on you have a big issue on you head so on so on

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Have all of those in favor of the "sexless" argument completely forgotten how mentally unstable people with missing chromosomes become?

How do you know if that works the same this time around? There is no way of telling. With the advance technology and the fact that the Innovators were made, that issue could have easily be dealt with at the beginning.

[Sides]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Have all of those in favor of the "sexless" argument completely forgotten how mentally unstable people with missing chromosomes become? They have to have a gender, otherwise you have mentally retarded 8 people, six of which are pulling the strings behind the entire world, another in charge of medical regeneration, and the eighth in a freaking Gundam. Yet these eight people are mentally stable without any mental disorders that we can see, and despite what people claim, they are biological and thus human.

Wanting to guide human into a new world. I would call it a mental illness.

[Sir Dearka]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Have all of those in favor of the "sexless" argument completely forgotten how mentally unstable people with missing chromosomes become? They have to have a gender, otherwise you have mentally retarded 8 people, six of which are pulling the strings behind the entire world, another in charge of medical regeneration, and the eighth in a freaking Gundam. Yet these eight people are mentally stable without any mental disorders that we can see, and despite what people claim, they are biological and thus human.

Papaya brilliantly presented that sometimes bringing logic from the true world into anime discussion is not that decisive. I still thnk they are genderless. Organic entities which are somehow different from normal humans, including the physiology.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by Sides

Wanting to guide human into a new world. I would call it a mental illness.

Not really. Its a specific task that the Innovators are trying to accomplish, that doesn't qualify as a disorder like Turner Syndrome, which is caused by a missing chromosome.

[LordStrike]

Originally Posted by Shiroth

How do you know if that works the same this time around? There is no way of telling. With the advance technology and the fact that the Innovators were made, that issue could have easily be dealt with at the beginning.

one question in the gss subs i think setsuna said they were bio terminal produced by veda didn't he? or the subs are wrong? any way so maybe he can actually create male and felame not by doing the tieria way but by actually making them female or males

[Sir Dearka]

Originally Posted by LordStrike

one question in the gss subs i think setsuna said they were bio terminal produced by veda didn't he? or the subs are wrong? any way so maybe he can actually create male and felame not by doing the tieria way but by actually making them female

Now that's an interesting theory. You mean that their bodies could be morphed/shifted between feminine/masculine types?

[LordStrike]

Originally Posted by Sir Dearka

Now that's an interesting theory. You mean that their bodies could be morphed/shifted between feminine/masculine types?

something like that

[Sir Dearka]

Originally Posted by LordStrike

something like that

It'd be helluva cool if it was so. A transmorphic organism that is capable of plugging into machines and using special brainwaves. That'd make Innovators quite a novelty for me, at least as far as the Gundam series I've watched are considered.

[brightman]

Originally Posted by Sir Dearka

It'd be helluva cool if it was so. A transmorphic organism that is capable of plugging into machines and using special brainwaves. That'd make Innovators quite a novelty for me, at least as far as the Gundam series I've watched are considered.

Except they already explained what Innovators are... Humans with GN Particles infused and nanomachines that could stop aging. That's it.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by LordStrike

something like that

It also adds with what Regene told Tieria about altering their DNA. Meaning Anew could easily just add the breasts, seeing as though he/she doesn't have any in the ending shot for the first season.

[Sir Dearka]

Originally Posted by brightman

Except they already explained what Innovators are... Humans with GN Particles infused and nanomachines that could stop aging. That's it.

Well, we don't know what more is changed in their bodies, do we? Maybe nothing, maybe everything.

[brightman]

Originally Posted by Sir Dearka

Well, we don't know what more is changed in their bodies, do we? Maybe nothing, maybe everything.

You'd think Regene would list something as significant as "changing of one's sex" when he explained what Innovators were.

Originally Posted by Shiroth

It also adds with what Regene told Tieria about altering their DNA. Meaning Anew could easily just add the breasts, seeing as though he/she doesn't have any in the ending shot for the first season.

As I said yesterday, changing one's DNA does not automatically change the size of his/her breasts.

[LordStrike]

Originally Posted by brightman

Except they already explained what Innovators are... Humans with GN Particles infused and nanomachines that could stop aging. That's it.

the nanos arent the only thing keeping them from aging as regen said suppressing aging through the use of genetic engineering and nanos so as far we know Gene manipulation is fully possible and the nano may help to stop the body from braking up or also making what ever changes made in a DNA base go faster so you genes may say you have breast normaly it would take time for them to grow but the nanos will make it faster