2010-08-24, 06:50 | Link #8742 | |
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Also the police had to screw this up and make me a liar about this being a by the book operation.
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2010-08-24, 08:31 | Link #8743 | |
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Trapped Chilean miners survive 18 days on tuna and milk
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2010-08-24, 08:36 | Link #8744 |
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I heard it might take at least 3 months for them to drill a tunnel big enough to pull them out. The good thing is that there's a tube they can use to send in everything they need to survive as the drilling continues.
Godspeed to these men.
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2010-08-24, 12:07 | Link #8747 |
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Its going to get pretty stinky down there even if the safe bunker they're in has equipment....
Its nice to see a mining situation where: 1) they had safety equipment 2) they HAVE a protocol for what to do 3) they FOLLOWED the protocol for what to do A certain number of Chinese and American mine operations should be ashamed of themselves.... but we know they're not.
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2010-08-24, 13:41 | Link #8749 | ||
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There are two main problems : one is a cave in which will make the miners similar to the gel they consume, another is fire damp which will turn their air and food holes into miniature volcanoes. Hopefully the rescue team are willing to work 24/7 to save them.
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2010-08-24, 14:27 | Link #8751 | |
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That pretty sums up what went wrong with the siege in Manilla. Although I would put nr. 8 (Safeguarding the public) somewhat higher; I thought I saw one picture with a civilian cycling near that bus which is really ridiculous. And a more ridiculous and tasteless picture is that several mid/highschoolers taking pictures in front of that bus as if they are taking some holiday photos. As for number 10 about training, if there are other special units that are specialized in these kind of cases, then why aren't they used? In the Philipinnes as the articles said it's common that such hostage takings happen so there are special forces/units for these kind of situations. And one more thing, isn't arresting the hostage taker's brother on television such a provoking act that eventually push the hostage taker to went mad and killed the hostages. Also the hostage taker was an ex-police officer, so he know the internal workings of the police. So when he saw the socalled SWAT were surrounding him, he's mostly certain that he's gonna die, so he took several hostages with him before he died? Anyway, condoleance to all the victims and family of this horrible tragedy. |
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OTOH, I also hold the conviction that politicians are the same the world over, so why couldn't they have called one to negotiate? For once "campaign promises" could have come in handy... |
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2010-08-24, 16:16 | Link #8753 |
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I agree that the Special Action Force should have been brought in to assist/lead in the situation. Although they're CT-based, they do have a good record against common criminal gangs too.
I've read some of the comments and they've said the ex-officer should be held accountable instead of the SWAT team that initiated the raid. And not all PNP SWAT teams have "good" equipment like police CT units do in HK and Macau, Singapore, Japan and South Korea. Not all of the money meant to modernize them is appropriately funded. In that case, we all know who to blame on that part. One person in another forum said they should ask the HK government for help. I would've initially said, "How, the SDU? That would've broken jurisdiction rules."
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2010-08-24, 17:24 | Link #8754 | |
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Mexico drugs cartel influence map Anyway look at this Mexico map. I wonder which areas does the government controls.
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2010-08-24, 18:00 | Link #8755 | |
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The big reason for the Germans becoming so dedicated for organizing such effective counter terrorism units is because they learned first hand how disastrous trying to deal with such situations with conventional police at the 1972 Munich Olympics.
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edit:This is incredible. The hostage taker is completely exposed here. A sniper staying constantly trained on the bus door could have easily taken him. Hell, without his rifle at the ready, the two negotiators could have pulled him out of the bus and had him overpowered. |
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2010-08-24, 18:40 | Link #8757 |
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Unconfirmed reports that a OFW was fired from her jobs by her HK-based employers.
If it's true, I don't think it's right since the OFW had nothing to do with the drama. I just don't none of my countrymen get killed out there since the President's worried about something like that.
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2010-08-24, 19:45 | Link #8758 |
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This seems relevant considering all the issues with that botched Filipino bus rescue (skip to 1:06)
The key thing here is that the Russian hostage rescue team got the windows on the bus broken quickly and immediately followed that with flash bangs and storming the vehicle from multiple entry points. |
2010-08-24, 21:38 | Link #8759 |
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This might be more relevant in the various anime merchandise threads... but today the yen hit a 15 year high against the dollar. A US dollar only buys you 83 yen today. As a comparison, two years ago a dollar would get you 110-120 yen.
Sucks for purchasers of Japanese products and sucks for industries in Japan. An 8000 yen figure that cost you $67 two years ago now costs $96 and that was discounting inflationary rises.
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