2010-08-26, 03:38 | Link #8781 | |
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Supply-wise, they don't really have much of a problem. A large number of their forces are either using Norinco CQs or G3 remakes chambered for the 5.56x45mm and 7.62x51mm rounds respectively, so supply wise they are no different from their NATO enemies. For close support they have AH-1 ripoffs, and they supposedly reversed-engineered US's TOW with plenty of recoilless weapons and such, so their anti-armour and support capability is pretty substantial. Besides, they have proper parachute brigades, light infantry and commandos unlike the other ME countries. Defence and offense wouldn't be a problem : if they can make it difficult for Iraq to win the Iran-Iraq war, they can do the same for US today. The only thing they have problem with is air defence. With the S300 I doubt even the B2 is able to pass through them during night raids.
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2010-08-26, 03:45 | Link #8782 |
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Overall the situation you guys are pondering is if the political equation has to be factored in. If America was hypothetically to strike but also had to please the audience back home and abroad, then yes there will be a crapload of problems. But should it turn into a war of survival, which would probably end up happening if Iran did end up acquiring nukes, then Iran stands no chance full stop. It would still be a pretty hard fight though now.
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2010-08-26, 04:42 | Link #8783 | ||
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if need be, it can be removed with relative ease and without losses to the air force attacking them. provided, of course, that the one doing the removing was committed to an all out war and not a single on shot strike against specific targets (which is the only reason why its a concern right now). Quote:
not a modern western army like the US army. desert storm showed just how poorly trained, equipped, and demoralized Iraq's army was, and that war between Iran and Iraq lasted for years. (albiet, with western support for Iraq)
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They have been supplying Hezbollah for years with rocketry and artillery. Their denial is pathetic as the modern CIA's when Israeli naval commandos captured tons of explosives on board a cargo frieghter bound for Palestine : the boxes still have "Ministry of Sepah" (the Iranian Ministry of Defence) labels on them. Though one of the arms raised suspicions on whether this is a PR operation by Mossad / Shin Bet - 106mm AP shells. These are meant for recoilless rifles like the US M40, and it is not known if Iran is supplied with such arms during the Shah era. Quote:
I am not exactly sure if Shrike missiles work against the search radars of the SAM launchers - I seriously doubt they did since it is a rather modern piece of AA equipment. Quote:
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2010-08-26, 05:31 | Link #8785 | ||
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look up something called a Harop UAV http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Harop its a mini drone that can loiter around the battle field for hours on end and pick up radar emission. once it picks it up, it kamikaze's the radar system, rendering it useless. its got a range of about 1000 Km, and can spend hours over a target area, and even be guided remotely at the target. its also has a radar signature that is too small to be effectively targeted by the missile system which means that the only way to prevent it from destroying the radar, is to switch it off. (which defeats the point of having radar). Quote:
the Irony is that Iran might actually promoting peace in the middle east (the enemy of my enemy...) i also wouldn't consider the size of Iran's paramilitary force to be a factor, given that Israel and Iran share no boarders, and aren't capable of land invasion of each other. Air force wise, there's no competition at all (since Iran doesn't even have planes that are capable of reaching Israel) and the only other way is via missiles systems (both countries having very advance programs of). the Missile war is actually rather interesting in regards to contrast. Israel has possibly the best anti missile defense options in the world, given the small size of the country since every building has a bomb shelter, and there are considerable anti ballistic missile capabilities, its capable of limiting loss of life considerably but at the same time, it has a small population, and has low tolerance for casualties. Iran has very poor anti missile abilities (no active, and very few passive abilities). but at the same time, its a very large country, with a lot of population, and the government couldn't care less about civilian casualties (Iran is the country that invented the "human wave minefield clearing method") on the whole, i'd say that in a missile shoot out, iran has an advantage overall, simply because they don't care about the damage they suffer. of course, there is no reason to believe that it would be limited to just missile attacks, since the Israel air force is perfectly capable of reaching Iran, and targeting missile silo's. on the whole, it would be a messy war.
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2010-08-26, 05:47 | Link #8786 | |
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He tries to be a moderate, and retards bombard him? Brilliant.
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2010-08-26, 11:43 | Link #8794 |
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All right, I'm stepping in.
I feel real humiliated about the damned hostage crisis. Personally I'm damn sick of watching one part of the world turn into /b/, all because of one ex-cop who thought hijacking a bus was a great idea, to make the whole world pay attention and to force the government (especially the controversial Ombudsman) to bring back his job (even though he had only months left before retirement). Why the late Mendoza (the ex-cop/hijacker in question) simply don't let go of his cop career and live? Because, frankly and sadly, this country sometimes breeds a few desperadoes who will go to great lengths to get or fight or kill for what they desire or keep... and in Mendoza's case, losing his career means losing his retirement benefits. So from that night onward, I (and millions) will have to live with yet another pockmark of humiliation... and we as a nation, whether for good or bad, will be paying dearly for one man's extreme act of desperation. "Everyone's responsible for everything he does."
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2010-08-26, 12:00 | Link #8796 | |
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Not to mention, if Iran did decide to rally the ME to start World War III, China would gain far more benefit by allying with the West and helping take them down. Then they can go in and claim part of the oil for themselves, as well as establish their influence over the region, as the US/Europe would have too much political backlash from their public to do much of the cleanup afterwards. Also, using a nuke would be suicide on Iran's part, as it'd make it 'okay' for the west to nuke all their cities out of existence. I'm sure the US is more than willing to sacrifice Israel if it gives them the excuse they can use to wipe most of the ME off the planet. |
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2010-08-26, 12:42 | Link #8799 | ||
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a bit extreme don't you think ? the middle east is an area you CONTROL, not DESTROY. it contains too many valuable resources to just wipe it off the planet altogether. it contains much of the world's deposits of oil, jews, natural gas, phosphate, and a considerable amount of religious places (tourist bait). the goal is to take control over the area so it serves your benefit, not destroy it. Quote:
also, keep in mind that the drone is VERY small in terms of aircraft (its 2x2.5 meters), so actually spotting it is much harder by day, and virtually impossible at night.
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