(CR) 86 TV anime

[HtwoN]

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

You're seriously expecting people to have to wait until a second season for character development to finally get going...on top of no world building...

Just. No. Nothing against those continuing, at all.

For Shin and Lena, there was already character developments.

For the supporting cast, they can wait, assuming they survive.

Talking about world building, what do you think the last couple of episodes showing us the Empire are for? And the long-range artillery Legion also showed some important information.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

For the supporting cast, they can wait, assuming they survive.

And even the supporting characters got some form of development / exploration of their character. Raiden was there to state his / their motivation to keep on fighting. We got to explore a bit of what made Theo tick with the story of his former squad leader. Anju's back story got touched upon. And Kurena went from somebody who was hellbent on hating all Alba to at least accepting of Lena.

I would call it fairly normal character development for 11 episodes. Focus on the main characters and the supporting characters get touched upon here and there. I know of no anime that gives equally deep character development to all regular characters at the same pace because that is frankly impossible. There is a reason why there is the distinction between main and supporting characters.

If somebody is lamenting the lack of character development for supporting characters 11 episodes in, that tells me that they either have no patience, or have no interest in the main characters (or both). That's fair game, although a bit more self-honesty wouldn't hurt instead of blaming it all on the series itself.

[Last Sinner]

With all due respect, I'm being kind.

I've spoken to a few dozen friends of very different tastes, personalities and patience levels. They all rate this show much lower than I do. And I felt this was about a 7, falling from a near 8 midway.
They all think there is an obscene lack of character development and world building. Some of them have reached the point the politics interest them more. I sure heck don't anyone in my everyday circles that has mentioned this as a title they were keenly watching. For a while, I was.

If you honestly think what happens here is normal, there's a heck of a lot of things you haven't seen.

For the supporting cast, they can wait...really? That's what the second season is for...really? That defense has been around for decades. If you're not game enough to do it by now, why should I have faith you will later? If a person really cared, they could have done it. They clearly have different priorities.

I love how you focus on the last two episodes. We really needed until Episode 10 to get something token? The get invested period was well past. 10 and 11 are meant to be payoff episodes. There is no true payoff with how little was given to to them, even Shin. Sure, at least Shin was given some depth and emotional weight given how he and his brother were linked to Lena and Annette. But to burn a major angle with pursuing his brother being forced to be Legion, so quickly and lightly? This could have been nuclear in impact but got reduced to a few ripples in a lake. Maybe it was more impactful in literary form. Regardless, the rest of the first season felt like a procession of ticking off expected events.

As for the 86 in general, aside from making the most of a bad situation and choosing to go out on their terms, there's not much to remember. Very limited exposure of motivations or loaded backstory moments. Whereas Lena has clear motivations for wanting to help the 86, clear development in how she engaged with them, going from words to actions and gradually getting their respect. As well as obstacles from within. Hell, Annette being twisted in her feelings towards them and then deciding to try to do what she should have done years ago - that had impact. It had leadup. With the 86, 'they're likely dead, time to make you care.' If this title is really meant to be more about them than Lena, they deserved more.

And a major source of that is the half Lena, half 86 format. Did we really need that 10 out of 11 episodes? Maybe if some more episodes were mainly for the 86, getting to know them could have occurred. It didn't, so Episode 11 felt like a mere procession to the inevitability Episode 9 laid out, where the impact did occur. By halfway through 11, it feels 'as expected.' Nothing more.

As for the Albans, they're the dominant nation but are just going to pretend an inevitable demise won't come because of history repeating? And from Lena's uncle's rant? Aside from that and Lena and Annette having a clue, know next to nothing about the place or a reason to enjoy their demise aside from them being bad.

Not saying this never did anything. But that it could and should have done more. So much wasted potential.


And that is all I have to say about that in this thread.

[HtwoN]

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

With all due respect, I'm being kind.

I've spoken to a few dozen friends of very different tastes, personalities and patience levels .

No offense but I'm not sure your friends are the most objective representation.

For the supporting cast, they can wait...really? That's what the second season is for...really? That defense has been around for decades. If you're not game enough to do it by now, why should I have faith you will later? If a person really cared, they could have done it. They clearly have different priorities.

Yes. This is volume 1 out of 10. There is plenty of time for the supporting cast.

In the anime so far, they don't have a chance to get out of their shell because they expect that they will die regardless. But who to say there won't be a situation where they are forced to develop in the future?

The main characters already got some developments, that should count for something, right?

I love how you focus on the last two episodes. We really needed until Episode 10 to get something token? The get invested period was well past. 10 and 11 are meant to be payoff episodes. There is no true payoff with how little was given to to them, even Shin. Sure, at least Shin was given some depth and emotional weight given how he and his brother were linked to Lena and Annette. But to burn a major angle with pursuing his brother being forced to be Legion, so quickly and lightly? This could have been nuclear in impact but got reduced to a few ripples in a lake. Maybe it was more impactful in literary form. Regardless, the rest of the first season felt like a procession of ticking off expected events.

Well, 10 and 11 are set up for the 2nd cour, not payoff episodes. Episode 9 was the end of the first arc.

Killing his brother's ghost was not the whole purpose of Shin's character. After killing his brother, he is empty. His whole purpose of life is gone, so where does he go from here?

Not saying this never did anything. But that it could and should have done more. So much wasted potential.

You may have a point if the show already ended. But it isn't.

Those "potentials" might be touched upon in the future. Just saying.

It's like saying Attack on Titan has so much wasted potential after watching season 1, only have a bunch of world-building thrown at you in season 2. Yeah, I was one of those people.

[Yazi88]

People think this is a big part of the adaptation so far but they pretty much took a surprisingly slower route of adapting volume 1 in its entirety in 11 episodes compared to pretty much other shows that speed thru things and cut things out.

Best to judge things after the 2nd cour, cause it is nowhere near the end, its just arc 1 done so far.

Like Htwon said, its 1 out of volume 10 here animated so far. I'm guessing 2nd cour will be volumes 2 and 3 combined, maybe even 4 if they sped things up a bit but who knows...

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

Killing his brother's ghost was not the whole purpose of Shin's character. After killing his brother, he is empty. His whole purpose of life is gone, so where does he go from here?

Nowhere? The anime more than strongly implied he died. I mean, showing him reuniting with his brother in what looks like the afterlife and showing his adult body missing his head... It doesn't get much clearer than that.

[Rinvelt]

Without spoiling, just seaching for "Eighty Six" on google give you the LN covers, and Shin is on all of them, sooooo...

I watched the anime a few days ago, then read the first volume. They did a really slow and good adaptation, even adding stuff that wasn't here and is pretty nice. But there is a lot of background stuff that is criticized here that is explained in the novel, and this is where the difference in medium shows.
Novels have LOT of stuff in the narration that can't make it to the anime.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

With all due respect, I'm being kind.

I've spoken to a few dozen friends of very different tastes, personalities and patience levels. They all rate this show much lower than I do. And I felt this was about a 7, falling from a near 8 midway.
They all think there is an obscene lack of character development and world building. Some of them have reached the point the politics interest them more. I sure heck don't anyone in my everyday circles that has mentioned this as a title they were keenly watching. For a while, I was.

Ah yeah, the old "I know a couple of guys" angle. Anecdotal, hardly an objective representation of a wider audience. On anilist it's got an average and mean score of 81%, on MAL it's at 8.23 and on Reddit the episodes rated an average of 4.69 out of 5. Which is quite solid. So no, it's not the case that you are being kind here. Rather, it seems you were asking into an echo chamber.

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

If you honestly think what happens here is normal, there's a heck of a lot of things you haven't seen.

That's funny. Looking at your signature I'd ask you to take an unbiased look into Code Geass or Steins Gate and think about how much development secondary characters got in those stories 11 episodes in (and no, I'm not saying 86 is as good as CG or SG). How much did we get to know about the motivations and back story of let's say CC, Moeka or Daru by episode 11? How much character development did they get by then? Hint, not much.

[Frontier]

Well, I think with the characters the anime made the most out of a little when Lena probably had the most screentime up until the last two episodes, but obviously the material and the execution hit differently depending on your personal POV (and I'm probably biased as a novel reader) .

[HtwoN]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Nowhere? The anime more than strongly implied he died. I mean, showing him reuniting with his brother in what looks like the afterlife and showing his adult body missing his head... It doesn't get much clearer than that.

Every hints point toward an arc in the Empire. They are in Empire territory. The long range artillery was an Empire soldier. We got a sneak peek at the princess. Shin heavily implied that there are survivors in the Empire.

Shin is at death’s door but he could be rescued by the Empire soon.

[Kanon]

Rinvelt, going "Without spoiling, I'm going to tell you a huge spoiler" doesn't fly here. With that sort of logic, we could spoil pretty much anything.

This is an anime only thread. The main reason people still come to this forum is that it's more or less the only environment where you can discuss an anime without getting everything spoiled beforehand thanks to its very strict spoiler rules. I'm actively avoiding all outside information for anime I care about... which isn't the case for this one, so you haven't spoiled me at least.

HtwoN's post? Now that's how you do it. Making speculations based on stuff shown in the anime.

[Rinvelt]

I mean, I'm pretty sure that covers aren't considered spoilers (even if they often spoil something) because you wouldn't be able to buy anything if that were the case.

Still, kudo to you for going blind for everything. I at least try to look up review sites to know if it's worth investing my time first, and if the anime has a manga/LN, well google just put the covers in front of your eyes, so you have to see them even if you don't want to.

[Cloudedmind]

Originally Posted by Rinvelt

I mean, I'm pretty sure that covers aren't considered spoilers (even if they often spoil something) because you wouldn't be able to buy anything if that were the case.

Still, kudo to you for going blind for everything. I at least try to look up review sites to know if it's worth investing my time first, and if the anime has a manga/LN, well google just put the covers in front of your eyes, so you have to see them even if you don't want to.

What you did is no different then someone going, "I'm not going to spoil anything, but don't get to attached to any of the characters!"

Can you guys just please stop? Can anime only viewers be allowed to speculate without having source readers hint at or outright spoil shit. We don't need you to correct us. Let the anime and only the anime reveal things. If someone wants outside information then let them seek that out for themselves. Don't bring that stuff into the anime thread.

[Rinvelt]

Well, for my defense, I only read the first volume after watching the anime, so can't really spoil more than the covers. Like, the covers are really the only things I know more than what happened in the anime.

I do agree that, yeah, it's the anime thread so talking about LN covers wasn't the best idea ever. But the promotion art for the 2nd cour is going to show them alive even before the anime restarting, so it was only a matter of now or later.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Nowhere? The anime more than strongly implied he died. I mean, showing him reuniting with his brother in what looks like the afterlife and showing his adult body missing his head... It doesn't get much clearer than that.

To me, the anime strongly hinted at him becoming an undead robot like his brother before him.

[Frontier]

Originally Posted by Rinvelt

I do agree that, yeah, it's the anime thread so talking about LN covers wasn't the best idea ever. But the promotion art for the 2nd cour is going to show them alive even before the anime restarting, so it was only a matter of now or later.

I'm going to laugh if the next Key Visual is just Lena (I don't think it will be, but maybe) .

[Stark700]

2nd cour (Season 2) airs October/Fall 2021

https://twitter.com/anime_eightysix/...09023474855937

[gecd]

so the special eps just a recap after all?

[Yazi88]

The only new thing was the post credits last 10 seconds where it showed a new Feldreß, which is from the 2nd arc.

I am so looking forward to seeing it in action. Its cooler than the Juggernaut.

[frubam]

Originally Posted by Cloudedmind

What you did is no different then someone going, "I'm not going to spoil anything, but don't get to attached to any of the characters!"

Can you guys just please stop? Can anime only viewers be allowed to speculate without having source readers hint at or outright spoil shit. We don't need you to correct us. Let the anime and only the anime reveal things. If someone wants outside information then let them seek that out for themselves. Don't bring that stuff into the anime thread.

Please, this. It was more interesting the way the anime left Shin's(and the end-four members) end to be ambiguous, which has essentially been ruined to anyone who wanted to speculate. That's probably what the author was going for as well. I also like to avoid all spoilers of any kind and let the anime purely do the telling. If a trailer for the future reveals next season char spoils, at least I can be excited THEN about what's to come instead of nonchalantly being revealed to me. In the meantime, there could have been some interesting conversations about the end, but now its a moot point. Just because some is okay with being spoiled(can't wait so searches out source material or whatever) doesn't mean others are, and I hope you can keep this in mind for future situations of this kind >=0v....

Originally Posted by gecd

so the special eps just a recap after all?

Unfortunately it seems so. Better to do it now instead of being an ep 00 in next season I guess. The only new bit was the black Legion at the end. Not sure what it even means; could be "Shin", could be Lena, could be the next big foe, who's to say, as there is 0 context to make any kind of logical conclusion =01.