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LoweGear · 2009-01-02, 21:53

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Originally Posted by Nerroth

Is there an in-universe reason given for why the Throne Eins was not deployed with the Turbulenz pack in the course of the anime?

Yes - it was withheld for power balance reasons by Alejandro Corner. Hence, the Turbulenz was never used even offscreen.

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Originally Posted by C.A.

MSVs are not designed by the anime team and is designed after the anime's production and script is in place. Therefore MSVs have no relation to the anime and you can take it that there was never a variation of the MS in the anime.

Actually, the 00V MSV's - and the other sidestories 00P and 00F - where designed concurrently with the anime production, and is meant to be supplementary to the anime, not separate. There have been appearances by sidestory units in the anime itself, like the Shell Flag's confirmed appearance (correlated by both the Official File and Hobby Japan) in S1 episode 15, and the Hellion Initium from 00P appearing in s2 episode 6. Hence, the anime acknowledges the existence of the sidestories.

Nerroth · 2009-01-02, 21:55

When you say power balance, do you mean power in the sense of Corner not wanting to make Team Trinity too powerful as a unit at the time of deployment, or in the sense that the suit' power distribution grid was not balanced properly (akin to the problems CB had getting the 00 operational) in time for the launch of operations?

LoweGear · 2009-01-02, 21:58

The former - he didn't want the Thrones becoming too powerful. Remember that they were meant to be killed when their part of the plan was achieved.

Nerroth · 2009-01-02, 22:10

Oh, ok.

(How much of a difference performance-wise did Turbulenz make in the tests, by the way?)

LoweGear · 2009-01-02, 22:12

No mention of any power comparisons are mentioned, just that the Turbulenz enhances each Throne's capabilities (the Turbulenz can be used on the Zwei and Drei as well).

Double 120% · 2009-01-02, 22:14

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Originally Posted by LoweGear

Hence, the anime acknowledges the existence of the sidestories.

The appearance of two non-essential mobile suits for a few moments does not acknowledge the existence of an entire side story. Appearance of two grunt suits = Entire Side Story actually exists? That's a very big leap.

Nerroth · 2009-01-02, 22:14

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Originally Posted by LoweGear

No mention of any power comparisons are mentioned, just that the Turbulenz enhances each Throne's capabilities (the Turbulenz can be used on the Zwei and Drei as well).

If it can, that could mean the Drei might have use for the pack, assuming Nena still had it around in the interim between the end of season 1 and the start of season 2.

(I hope the model kit, if there is ever one, would be designed to fit on all three Thrones...)

LoweGear · 2009-01-02, 22:20

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Originally Posted by Double 120%

The appearance of two non-essential mobile suits for a few moments does not acknowledge the existence of an entire side story. Appearance of two grunt suits = Entire Side Story actually exists? That's a very big leap.

Well, both the Shell Flag and the Initium's profiles appeared long before they ever appeared in the anime, so obviously the anime took the designs from them.

Maybe acknowledging an entire sidestory is too much, but at least elements of said sidestories are clearly acknowledged, and not just ignored as a whole.

Balder8472 · 2009-01-02, 22:28

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Originally Posted by Nerroth

If it can, that could mean the Drei might have use for the pack, assuming Nena still had it around in the interim between the end of season 1 and the start of season 2.

(I hope the model kit, if there is ever one, would be designed to fit on all three Thrones...)

trust I'm sure Nena will pilot another mobilesuit shortly Because the riian shuttle isn't really built for fighting it's primary use is scouting and recon.

I believe it's tau-type GN drive and cockpit are modular and can be inserted into a new variation of the throne Drei gundam which will be promptly available as a model kit no doubt

Nerroth · 2009-01-02, 22:31

What I mean is that in the interim between the end of the events of season 1 and the deployment of the Riian/new suit, perhaps Nena was able to use the Drei in Turbulenz mode.

(Could be an option for a new side story - what Nena was up to before and during her eventual working for Wang Liu Mei directly.)

Balder8472 · 2009-01-02, 22:35

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Originally Posted by Nerroth

What I mean is that in the interim between the end of the events of season 1 and the deployment of the Riian/new suit, perhaps Nena was able to use the Drei in Turbulenz mode.

(Could be an option for a new side story - what Nena was up to before and during her eventual working for Wang Liu Mei directly.)

it's indeed possible but very unlikely,you have to remember that the UN forces were chasing the team trinity as part of operation "fallen angels" so if nena went out in the throne drei gundam she'd probably get promply blasted by them or it's successor organisation the Earth sphere federation

Nerroth · 2009-01-02, 22:39

Well, it would have taken time for the UN/ESF to get the GN-XIIIs up and running, to replace the GN-Xs lost against CB - and they can't cover everywhere.

Plus, the stealth system on the Drei, coupled with the increased mobility from Turbulenz, could make it easier for recon/hit-and-run operations to be held...

...at least until the time came for her to switch to the Riian.

Dream_Traveller · 2009-01-02, 22:41

Well, you know, the ESF did have more forces than 30 GN-Xes, and I reckon a Gundam's pretty easy to spot.

Nerroth · 2009-01-02, 22:43

But how many of the other forces would have been able to kill a Throne in 2308, or find a Gundam that isn't exactly waving its arms asking to be found?

(The CB Gundams can make themselves scarce when needs be, even in 2311, and they don't have Drei's GN Stealth Field.)

LordStrike · 2009-01-02, 22:58

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Originally Posted by Nerroth

But how many of the other forces would have been able to kill a Throne in 2308, or find a Gundam that isn't exactly waving its arms asking to be found?

(The CB Gundams can make themselves scarce when needs be, even in 2311, and they don't have Drei's GN Stealth Field.)

they don't need to XD look how they spread GN particles all around the middle east that how kataron was able to build there base and keep it a secret.

and i really don't think nena was out doign those stuff as that could bring attention to her and i bet wang wont let that happen

Balder8472 · 2009-01-02, 22:58

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Originally Posted by Nerroth

But how many of the other forces would have been able to kill a Throne in 2308, or find a Gundam that isn't exactly waving its arms asking to be found?

(The CB Gundams can make themselves scarce when needs be, even in 2311, and they don't have Drei's GN Stealth Field.)

I don't mean to be mean but the drei's stealth field is actually a massive attention seeking pyrotechnic display which is basically like painting a bullseye on her mobilesuit.On her own without her brothers as backup, activating the stealth field would be suicide

LordStrike · 2009-01-02, 23:03

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Originally Posted by Balder8472

I don't mean to be mean but the drei's stealth field is actually a massive attention seeking pyrotechnic display which is basically like painting a bullseye on her mobilesuit.On her own without her brothers as backup, activating the stealth field would be suicide

100% agree

Rising Dragon · 2009-01-02, 23:08

Plus, the Drei is a support unit to Gundam Thrones Eins and Zwei--its only got moderate equipment and the Stealth Field. As a combat unit, its rather lacking, and it would get trashed in a fight against a squad of GN-Xs.

Nerroth · 2009-01-02, 23:11

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Originally Posted by Balder8472

I don't mean to be mean but the drei's stealth field is actually a massive attention seeking pyrotechnic display which is basically like painting a bullseye on her mobilesuit.

When one can see it, yes - but if the field was not effective beyond visual range, then it would not have worked in season 1 at all, would it?

It's a useful tool when used properly - as would be the Drei Turbulenz as a whole.

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Originally Posted by LordStrike

they don't need to XD look how they spread GN particles all around the middle east that how kataron was able to build there base and keep it a secret.

and i really don't think nena was out doign those stuff as that could bring attention to her and i bet wang wont let that happen

Well, there are a few things.

*Prior to the launch of the Riian, the Drei would still be a fairly useful suit for sending on recon missions - not least in asteroid-rich Lagrange points - and Setsuna was able to keep Exia hidden from sight by himself for four years.

*When the steps taken to get the GN-XIII to full deployment phases - either for the regular Federation army or for A-Laws - it it not unfeasible to imagine that one or two may have been sent on patrol, be it in the Middle East or in space... and one could picture Drei Turbulenz sent on a hit-and-run mission to test the ESF suit's capabilities.

There's no reason to assume that there isn't at least one suit which was written off as 'fate unknown' in either the army or A-Laws' record books, even before Exia was uncovered in 2311...

*Perhaps by the time more GN-X variants (or the Ahead, for that matter) entered service, and at a time when Nena started to work as Wang Liu Mei's gopher, it did become unproductive to use Drei itself - hence the shift to the Riian.

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Plus, the Drei is a support unit to Gundam Thrones Eins and Zwei--its only got moderate equipment and the Stealth Field. As a combat unit, its rather lacking, and it would get trashed in a fight against a squad of GN-Xs.

Would that necessarily be true with the Turbulenz kit equipped?

At the very least, it could run more easily - plus the pack would include its own weapon systems (though perhaps with not quite the same range of weaponry as Eins Turbulenz had, as according to the wiki "When combined with the Drei, the Drei's stealth field generators replaces the rear mounted GN missile containers"...)

Dream_Traveller · 2009-01-03, 00:04

Well, all the Drei would have then is that little wrist gun and its beam saber. And still, the Drei's a support unit, not a main combat one. The GN-X squads picked on it, and Sergei and Soma nearly killed Nena with relative ease.

And the Riian is compact, fast, and retains a sense of invisibility without lighting itself up like an Olympic torch. Why would Nena use a clunky thing like Drei combined with Turbulenz?

Plus, if there ever was a 'Drei Turbulenz', and it did attack Federation/A-LAWS mobile suits, shit would have hit the fan much earlier with Celestial Being emerging much earlier, and the current standing in 00 would have been entirely different. Or partially.

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Nerroth NePoi! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 43	When you say power balance, do you mean power in the sense of Corner not wanting to make Team Trinity too powerful as a unit at the time of deployment, or in the sense that the suit' power distribution grid was not balanced properly (akin to the problems CB had getting the 00 operational) in time for the launch of operations? __________________

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LoweGear Secret Society BLANKET Graphic Designer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 3 times the passion of normal flamenco	The former - he didn't want the Thrones becoming too powerful. Remember that they were meant to be killed when their part of the plan was achieved. __________________ Against all the evil that hell can conjure, all wickedness that mankind can produce... We will send unto them, only you.

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Nerroth NePoi! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 43	Oh, ok. (How much of a difference performance-wise did Turbulenz make in the tests, by the way?) __________________

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LoweGear Secret Society BLANKET Graphic Designer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 3 times the passion of normal flamenco	No mention of any power comparisons are mentioned, just that the Turbulenz enhances each Throne's capabilities (the Turbulenz can be used on the Zwei and Drei as well). __________________ Against all the evil that hell can conjure, all wickedness that mankind can produce... We will send unto them, only you.

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Nerroth NePoi! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 43	What I mean is that in the interim between the end of the events of season 1 and the deployment of the Riian/new suit, perhaps Nena was able to use the Drei in Turbulenz mode. (Could be an option for a new side story - what Nena was up to before and during her eventual working for Wang Liu Mei directly.) __________________

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Nerroth NePoi! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 43	Well, it would have taken time for the UN/ESF to get the GN-XIIIs up and running, to replace the GN-Xs lost against CB - and they can't cover everywhere. Plus, the stealth system on the Drei, coupled with the increased mobility from Turbulenz, could make it easier for recon/hit-and-run operations to be held... ...at least until the time came for her to switch to the Riian. __________________

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Dream_Traveller Banned Join Date: Jun 2007	Well, you know, the ESF did have more forces than 30 GN-Xes, and I reckon a Gundam's pretty easy to spot.

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Nerroth NePoi! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 43	But how many of the other forces would have been able to kill a Throne in 2308, or find a Gundam that isn't exactly waving its arms asking to be found? (The CB Gundams can make themselves scarce when needs be, even in 2311, and they don't have Drei's GN Stealth Field.) __________________

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Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Plus, the Drei is a support unit to Gundam Thrones Eins and Zwei--its only got moderate equipment and the Stealth Field. As a combat unit, its rather lacking, and it would get trashed in a fight against a squad of GN-Xs. __________________

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Dream_Traveller Banned Join Date: Jun 2007	Well, all the Drei would have then is that little wrist gun and its beam saber. And still, the Drei's a support unit, not a main combat one. The GN-X squads picked on it, and Sergei and Soma nearly killed Nena with relative ease. And the Riian is compact, fast, and retains a sense of invisibility without lighting itself up like an Olympic torch. Why would Nena use a clunky thing like Drei combined with Turbulenz? Plus, if there ever was a 'Drei Turbulenz', and it did attack Federation/A-LAWS mobile suits, shit would have hit the fan much earlier with Celestial Being emerging much earlier, and the current standing in 00 would have been entirely different. Or partially.