2010-04-24, 23:56 | Link #9101 | |
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2010-04-24, 23:59 | Link #9103 | |
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What I'm saying is that a person can escape physical death (declared in red text) by playacting as another personality. They killed off their first personality by faking their death, and remain as the second personality. That's what Shkanon is saying. I don't see why it's not applicable to any other person. |
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2010-04-25, 00:01 | Link #9104 | |
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1. Someone comes into the room. 2. Because of a feeling of insecurity they set the chain lock. 3. Further insecurity means they hide in the closet and do not come out. 4. Whether they die or not is irrelevant. Actually, this is very, very simple. So simple that it doesn't really implicate anyone or say anything that we didn't know already. 8) |
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2010-04-25, 00:01 | Link #9105 | ||
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2010-04-25, 00:02 | Link #9106 |
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There's a doctor on the island, isn't there? Nanjo brought the corpse to the parlor to examine it! Erika's objectivity only applies to circumstances regarding the crime! Therefore, Bernkastel is able to proclaim certain things in red, such as the circumstances used to implicate Natsuhi, but it does not extend to what happens around it!
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2010-04-25, 00:04 | Link #9107 |
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Except that, if you believe the seal on the window issue doesn't apply (and it only becomes an issue when Erika raises it, so it appears Beatrice doesn't care if it's ever suggested anyone left that room), Shannon shouldn't be able to do that, or Kanon should be in a completely different room wherein he should not be getting shot. About the only person who could injure Kanon outside the room at the time Erika is in the room is Battler. Why would Battler injure Kanon fatally? Even in self-defense I'm not sure I can buy that. Battler is probably big enough to restrain Kanon.
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2010-04-25, 00:06 | Link #9108 | |
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2010-04-25, 00:08 | Link #9110 |
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Wait, wait, wait. If we're talking about similarities between all the chain room murders...
Then essentially what we have is Ryukishi showing us two chained room murders with three parties involved. 1. Murderer 2. Chain setter 3. Victim(s) So for EP5: 1. Unknown killer 2. Natsuhi 3. Hideyoshi For EP6: 1. Erika 2. Kanon 3. Battler For EP1: 1. Unknown murderer 2. Unknown chain setter 3. Eva and Hideyoshi ... or... is it... 1. Unknown murderer 2. Eva or Hideyoshi 3. Eva or Hideyoshi ... once again... doesn't tell us anything new, does it? |
2010-04-25, 00:08 | Link #9111 | |
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However, just as you need evidence to show that person X is the killer, you also need evidence to show that personality X is furniture. Knox's 8th prevents this rule from being abused, but you have to figure out the rule first. As has been hinted since the start of the series, the main puzzle of Umineko is figuring out the rules of the game.
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2010-04-25, 00:10 | Link #9113 | |
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Again, it doesn't make any sense. |
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2010-04-25, 00:15 | Link #9115 |
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He does indeed. Natsuhi considers setting it herself, then decides against it. Hideyoshi enters and makes rather a big show out of setting the chain lock and closing all the window shutters. Then, somehow, he notices someone he doesn't appear to recognize, struggles with this person, and is killed. Allegedly.
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2010-04-25, 00:16 | Link #9116 |
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Shannon, having faked her death at the First Twilight, is alive and is allowed into Eva and Hideyoshi's room by Eva and Hideyoshi. They knew about the fake death plan, and that's why Hideyoshi didn't say anything about her being alive, as they assumed Shannon was in on it because she was in the shed! She kills them, and hides under the bed!
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2010-04-25, 00:17 | Link #9117 | ||
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For EP1 it could be, Hideyoshi is killed first in the bathroom, without Eva noticing it. Eva sets the chain lock. Killer kills Eva. Killer hides. This pattern of events is interesting... but there's no functional difference between this and "Killer just kills them both, sets the chain and hides." So.... hmmmm... need to do more thinking. Quote:
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2010-04-25, 00:20 | Link #9118 | |
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Genji is a personality. Just like Shannon and Kanon, he has also been referred to as furniture since EP1. Therefore, the human controlling the personality "Genji" is Person X. Knox's 1st. I can't use a Culprit X. So unless I can think of a specific person that controls this "Genji" personality, I can only conclude that my method of figuring out what is furniture was wrong. Huh, that didn't work out very well. If Genji = furniture is not a valid reason for him to be a personality, then Kanon = furniture and Shannon = furniture are also not valid reasons. |
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2010-04-25, 00:21 | Link #9119 | ||
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