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You keep trying to deny this without actually saying anything substantial about it, you haven't addressed the points I brought up, you've admitted standards are temporary cultural constructs, and now you're trying to ignore all the above to pretend you still have a position to defend. Also, since you decided to jump into the biggest trap in the entire fallacious argument of your own will? Gilgamesh and the Oddyessy are appreciated for their contributions to the development of Western literature. If they were written today not a single publisher would touch them. They're full of what people today consider flaws, and Gilgamesh in particular would be shredded as a main character. And for that matter, that appreciation is unique to Western literature, as neither story is held in the same regard by Japanese or Chinese cultures, who both have their own stories that fill in those roles in entirely different ways. Quote:
You blamed the author for expressing surprise at a group outside her target audience throwing a tantrum, repeatedly contradicted yourself, and are actively trying to push an argument considered to be a joke by the community you are referencing. Quote:
I agree, you should absolutely drop the passive aggressive insults and blatantly unwarranted condescension.
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2020-06-17, 13:02 | Link #902 | |
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Anyway why don't you quote me where I said that spamming profanities is legit criticism then? If you insist I did say that you can do that much. And I am not saying you are not right when you say It make me look bad, but it take more then just you do decide that. Standards aren't set by single person but by many. If you can prove other think same as you then be it. Unfortunately whether that makes me look bad or not isn't common knowledge that can be easily verified. I admited different cultures have different standard. I also elaborated differences are minimal both across time and space. That's not contradiction. Also both Epos of Gilgames and Odyssei work very well as stories you don't get anything by bashing them. All they would need is modernised format and they would sell just fine. Passive agressive is nothing comparing calling others "liar", "apologist" and apparently also defender of death threats. Anyway I might try tone it down from now but you would certainly need do your part as well.
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That's a quote from last year And she was talking about people who dont like taboo content in general, not readers. Quote:
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Sorry, but because I am laying claim to a nebulous standard that now applies objectively to everything, you look bad whether you think you do or not Kind of a silly statement, no? Quote:
The fact that they have to be "modernized" proves my point. Also good luck getting a story where the main character spends his first arc literally raping all the brides in the city he holds absolute power over past a modern publisher. Today's standards don't hold to that. Gilgamesh and Odyssey are held up as they are because of what they contributed to Western culture. They had a positive influence on the development of literature, but that doesnt mean that they are irrevocably "good" as stories in and of themselves. You do realize both of these things are actually for sale, right? They've been in print for literally decades at this point and they mostly show up in school libraries. Quote:
"Apologist" isn't even an actual insult, it's a statement of a thing you were doing. The death threat thing...wasn't a thing? I pointed out that the rage you said was justified included death threats and then you started getting defensive.
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2020-06-17, 14:17 | Link #904 |
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-ok point taken
- "lol this manga suxx" except with more profanity is not same as spamming profanities. "F**k you" also isn't that bad. Death threats or calling names would be bad but just voicing discontent is legit criticism. Spamming it in other hand serve nothing and is intentional harassment, which I condemned. So yes again I neve said "spamming profanities is ok". or it count as legit criticism. From beginning I am consistent about this. -I am trying separate death threats AND harassment from ragers. And I do that because you are trying put them all into single bag. - Yes it's indeed silly statement. In first place I never tried critcise other people based on my personal standards alone. Which is what you do here. -I picked both works because they are aknowledged classics AND because they are good by modern standards. If they weren't there wouldn't any point choose them as examples. And whether Gilgamesh raped all brides in Uruks (did he? Can't remember that part, well whatever) doesn't really matter, he wasn't meant to be good man in first place and as far as writting goes giving him modern values would mean loosing cultural background of time period story take place in. By modernisation I certainly don't mean changing characters or events. Just using modern vocabuary, put there more flashy action and snappy dialogs to fit it modern taste -Again I could call you liar too but again I will not. (being wrong and lying are two differnt things.), because I never said "I never defended profanities" I explicitly said I don't approve spamming profanities (which is harassment). Apologist might not be insult per se, but still personal attack in order dismiss ANY argument I make. That's only done in bad faith. Also of course I would get defensive after repeated attacks on my character. So one last time, civil discussion or not? Edit: Also as far as vulgarities/profanities goes, noone should call others by names
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Actually, forget it.
I'm pretty sure both of us have said we dont particularly care about the manga itself, and this has become an argument of semantics. It's pretty clear neither of us will budge, so at this point I'm just going to call it. I'll leave my post up and you can respond to it, and then we'll go our separate ways feeling vindicated. And everyone else in the thread will breathe a sigh of relief that the crazies are gone. I'm off work now anyway, so I dont need a distraction anymore
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Gigguk is a sore loser. If Rui would have won, there won't be any DomeKano saga with him. He always bets on the safe, obligatory main heroine or who feels that, but this shows he can't handle taking risks. Please, KanoKari writer, make Mizuhara lose by some miracle for him to bitch again!
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2021-01-25, 12:17 | Link #910 |
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Indeed, but Gigguk kept reading it when it already became a cesspit instead of saying that he has a certain level of standards. Just like how he memed everything to oblivion, he became a living meme that tries to convince people that it's okay to watch these dumpsterfires, yet takes them seriously for some reason. So the end result is entirely shipping war based bitching. He literally says in one of the KanoKari videos that Ruka is designated loser because of her blue hair and that's his entire argument why she can't be best girl. In DomeKano, majority bet on Rui as endgirl for good reason, but wise readers knew it's Sasuga Kei they are dealing with, and boom, Rui lost, Gigguk bitches in multiple videos.
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