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Meanwhile, gas prices have hit 4.25 a gallon for 87 octane here in San Diego, food prices are going up with it, healthcare costs are out of control, the economy is barely treading water if that, and no one anywhere, has a clue on how to get things back on the right track. Just take a look at both political parties here in America. Both will lie to our faces, send tax-payer money to their corporations/unions/friends, and then point their fingers at the guy across the aisle and say it's his fault everything is going to hell. Fact Checkers are ripping Romney and Obama new ones for their lying, twisting the facts, and their inability to tell us what plans they have, and how exactly those plans will make things better in the real world. I don't like Romney, and I don't like the vast majority of the GOP. I voted Independent in 2010 across the board, and did the same again in all but the Presidential part in 2008. There is just simply no way I can ever support Obama. I would rather have Bush, Clinton, Carter, Nixon, or a host of other past Presidents back in the White House over that incompetence. He is grossly out of his league with the biggest seat in the world, and has no real business being there.
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2012-10-04, 00:25 | Link #923 |
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As progressive as some might deem me, I also agree with justin that *everything* should be out there on the table for trimming or reforming. Audits to see how effective programs are and elimination for those that don't accomplish their mission.
I want a lot of things in the infrastructure (schools, roads, health, education) but one reserves debt for things that will improve the long term picture, not just transfer wealth into small gold-lined pockets. I can make a short list of many billions of dollars just of defense programs that don't accomplish their mission, are obsolete -- but make some congressman very fat and happy because it brings pointless jobs to his district and fills the coffers of GE/Halliburton/whatever.
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2012-10-04, 00:30 | Link #925 |
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^Pain/Chemo can be great...if you can take the full treatment, and sadly the US currently can not. At best a few changes could be made before a full melt down, or worse, the opposing party uses the change to sway public opinion enough against the complete reform (which is partially what happened to Obama).
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2012-10-04, 00:34 | Link #926 | |
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Cut spending and increasing their revenus, both will have to be done.
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2012-10-04, 00:34 | Link #927 | |
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I can't support any plans to raise revenue, if there is nothing keeping the Government from using increased revenue to grow itself even larger. You don't give crack addicts more drugs in the hopes that they'll get off of it. And raising taxes is not going to raise much in the way of revenue. Maybe a few billion, in the face of 1100 billion dollar yearly deficits... In otherwords, not even a drop of water in a pool. |
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2012-10-04, 00:36 | Link #928 |
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Republicans argue that revenues will increase once the economy improves (more jobs, more activity, equal more tax revenue). There's truth in that. But also - those corporations sitting on piles of money or transferring it overseas need some poking to put it back into the US economy, both carrot and stick.
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2012-10-04, 00:37 | Link #929 | |
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For example: Healthcare: Expand Medicare to all Americans, using the power of having a single insurance pool would be much more efficient in establishing industry standards and lowering prices, Plus delivering equitable care. Social security: Remove the payroll tax cap of $104,000 or try to increase income to it as what happened in 1982. Military: That depends I'm torn between the debates of Isolationism and the maintenance of the current order.
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2012-10-04, 00:39 | Link #930 | |
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And stop the treasury debt war with China, as sure as printing more can dilute the value of China's trade surplus and not let them overtake S as the world economy, it hurts the rest of the world. And it is about time to stop since investors are looking out of China.
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2012-10-04, 00:42 | Link #931 | |
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And yeah, before anyone whines, my household makes quite a bit more than the SS/MC payroll tax cap. The cap has never made any sense.
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2012-10-04, 00:44 | Link #932 |
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Yeah, but the process to authorize cuts counted in millions should be practically automatic or you'll never get done. You can't let "small" savings distract you from the large ones. If Congress has to debate for weeks about something, it'd better be about billions.
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2012-10-04, 00:45 | Link #934 | |
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http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/educa...a4bcf887a.html Get the spending under control. Then I will get on board with increases in infrastructure. Until we get responsible with how our money is being spent, throwing money at a fire will only burn most of it away... |
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2012-10-04, 00:47 | Link #935 | |
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2012-10-04, 00:52 | Link #936 | |
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I don't like however, being FORCED to have Health Insurance. Regardless of who's idea it is. Nice to chat with all of you Progressives again. This Libertarian/Conservative/Quasi Independent mish mash has to go to bed. Something about working tomorrow and paying my taxes and trying to do my part. Maybe tomorrow, I'll hook up the battery and fire up my 800hp Corvette and burn some fossil fuels for the greeny wheenies that might be in here. |
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2012-10-04, 00:57 | Link #937 | |
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And justin is also right about K-12 education having interesting losses between taxpayer and student. Say the state collects $12000 per student. Once you figure out the cost of the teacher, the cost of the facility, etc. there's still an absurd amount of administrative overhead sucks up a lot of the money -- getting that trimmed down is like draining swamps. I'd also point out that we would not have the college student loan disaster in the making if we had stuck with the NDSL government loan programs (Cold War investment in higher education -> low interest student loans) instead of "outsourcing it to the private sector" in the 80s. The private loan industry has made a killing off of student loans and altered the bankruptcy laws so that not even that can keep a student from "indentured servitude" for the rest of their life. Night, night, Justin. I think I'm going to go write more fiction, got a chapter to release tomorrow.
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2012-10-04, 01:11 | Link #938 | |
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This is the fundamental problem that few people see, if they notice it at all. The US federal government as it is right now is not sufficiently big enough to provide all the services it should be providing, and this is assuming we don't take into account military R&D and the extra costs of the wars. The only way people are going to maintain things is getting the necessary budget. People talk about the wastes of a crazy medical insurance system and the such, but those are peanuts compared to the basic spending needed to actually give out service in the first place. |
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I don't mind doctors being paid well to get their work 99.99999% right and save lives, they deserve it for the subsequent OCD they suffer in their line of work, and human lives are priceless. Health insurances provide a way to pay the doctors for getting their work right from a tranche pool. The thing I don't like is how medical institutions charge for ridiculous fees and pad their own pockets, and how insurance companies use that tranche to invest and come up with those ridiculously material benefits for "top sales agents". All in the name of profit. If the investment is used to hedge against inflating medical costs and drug prototyping studies, it is fine, but to afford a Ferrari and a trip to Hawaii out of somebody's expense for protection against fate just doesn't sit well with me. Quote:
Presto! You lower food prices, save the environment, and might even get some methane out of the biological processing to convert into fuel. What can those environmentalists whine about now? [/sarcasm]
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it was a 90 minute epic royal smackdown NO ONE saw coming... unless you're Crispy Creme Christie. that fat fuck from Jersey was sure right on the money! look, everyone from Chris Matthews & Rachel Maddow (MSNBC), CNN, Fox News, Breitbart.com, Drudge Report, CBS, NBC, ect... even Hollywood EXTREME Lefties: Bill Maher, Michael Moore, & Samuel Jackson... name me a Lefty - EVERYONE said Obama seemed unpassionate, bored, & in dire need of a teleprompter the Left is furious with the moderator for letting Romney 'speak' and actually NOT helping Obama. worse yet, they all concede Romney was a Ginsu Blade shredding every topic in his path and Obama was barely a butter Knife. twitter set ALL-Time records for traffic and Chris Matthews had a near Melt-down. (see my clip above) it was such a clock cleaning the LEFT can't find ANYTHING good to say about Obama... except that he didn't puke on himself or fall asleep. (oh & BTW - today is the 0bama's wedding anniversary, how romantic.) again, it was practically a 'school yard beating' with a moderator. i am NOT Exaggerating! the Left is FURIOUS with Obama. NO ONE's is really attacking Romney... it's like 80% WTF Happen to Obama!? Last edited by flying ^; 2012-10-04 at 02:43. |
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