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2008-02-18, 09:05 | Link #923 |
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Seed was decent, if not my taste. It was Destiny that the director himself disowned.
And Gundam 00 is hardly "made of awesome and of win," though I'm enjoying it more than Destiny. It has a number of very serious concerns: slow and awkward characterization of what is supposed to be the main cast, extremely short battles (this being a trade-off for mostly high-quality fights), and a number of national/ethnic stereotypes. It also has the habbit of relying on people great distances apart to finish each other's sentences, and the good-guy/bad-guy inferals can be a bit blatant (which in itself is a good change from Destiny, which gave far too many mixed messages of good-vs-evil). None of those, however, make it shit, and none of those were even cited by Wesley. |
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2008-02-18, 09:16 | Link #926 | ||
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Do I think most people here are any better in their skills? Don't make me laugh. But having been like you about seven years ago, it annoys me to see someone act like they know everything when they don't even have a inkling as to what they don't know. Don't think that I hate you: I don't. It's merely painful to see someone go through the exact same phase I was in over half a decade ago. Quote:
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-High-quality fights with a bare minimum of stock footage -An excellent and varied supporting cast of antagonists who are actually more sympathetic than most of the main characters. Graham has more balls and charisma than any three Meisters, noble Sergei never wavers in ability or moral resolve, rogue Ali who lives and fights for himself, stoic Soma who we all keep waiting to learn some humanity. Even comic relief Patrick. -A refreshingly new attempt to actually look at and work with global politics and power relations overall, rather than the half-extended generalizations of Seed and Destiny. ("Everyone in PLANT loves Lacus, instant POWER!" "the EA (AF) wants to kill coordinators," "PLANT is good when not trying to kill everyone," "No one cares what happens in Asia or Africa," "Orb is always neutral, even when it fights one side or another.") I don't even hold that against Seed-verse (much), because I don't watch Seed with expectations of a viewpoint being the leaders in power. Seeing it in 00 is a nice change, even if it could be done better here or there. -Watching the fallacy of a group try to end war through war play itself out, especially when the group is such a collection of f'ed up individuals who are still working it out -The director's mastery in driving the audience to feel one way about a person (say, Louise), only to spring an abrupt turn of events to give a character an entirely new deminsion (Setsuna killing his parents in the name of God? Louise amputated? Super-computer Veda actually being not only infalible, but a deadly weakness?) It has been almost as amusing watching the audience feel near uniformly about one character or another, and then have a complete switch; Louise went from useless b**** to everyone's character of the hour. - Effective use of techniques such as foreshadowing and dramatic effects with music and images, while also not falling into the trap of simply revealing past histories in a single monolog. Setsuna's past was flashes here and there, Allelujah took his own episode a dozen eps in, Lockon is mostly out now, and we still have no f'n clue as to what the Incident was with Sumeragi, what exactly happened for Graham to be called on fratricide, what the hell Tieria even is, etc. |
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2008-02-18, 09:40 | Link #928 | ||
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You're the one that said "My opinion = Facts ". Obviously you don't think I'm worth arguing with so why even say that? Because I'm annoying you? I don't know what phase you went through, but maybe you've misunderstood me? And if you're refering to the mst3k-style posts I type up as I watch an episode, that's not so much as arguing as venting. Another creative exercise. I can appreciate how complicated the world is, but Gundam OO obviously does not. Quote:
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2008-02-18, 09:49 | Link #929 | |
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besides there are still those really loyal to GS era & also really GS was not about mecha because GS did this Gundam SEED incorporated elements from popular live-action television dramas. Instead of focusing on the robot action, the show focused more on the characters. so it's main focus are it's characters. & GSM will happen cause there are many ways to have a GSM.
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Seed was about war escaluating out of control, while Destiny was about...Strike Freedom? OO presenting a standing balance of power, rather than a large-scale war is interesting, but the show doesn't really use it much as it should. Especially since I'm dying for Graham, Sergei, Soma, and Patrick to be in a room together. Quote:
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(Though why, why, did they feel compelled to make a blatant political statement of genocidal American religious fanatics? Could you be any less subtle?) Quote:
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Tieria is Veda's love slave, likely born and raised in CB like Felt. Really, it's the rest of the Ptolemy crew that doesn't have a clear motivation. Sumeragi has a mystery reason for leaving the Union military, but not joining CB. I'd be more interested with her in the Union with a dark past, like Graham, rather than in CB. (As a matter of fact, I even wrote a drabble based on that WI, though it was extremely mediocre.) Quote:
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You might not personally like that style, but that doesn't make it any worse in regards to quality. I personally detest art, but I can still appreciate the fine strokes and subtle hues of a DiVinci painting, even if I can't name it. I can still appreciate a good action-thriller, even though those aren't my kind of book. A 00 weakness may be its main character characterization, but it's also balanced out by the rival characters, who have gotten much more focus thus far. (For example: compare Graham's lines for the first five episodes, and then the lines of all the Meisters combined out of their suits. It's telling.) Quote:
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2008-02-18, 11:57 | Link #933 |
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I find it funny that there are still SEED-bashers who are trying to tell rubbish such as "every Gundam fan accepted the fact that SEED sucks". That's not good taste. That's just friggin' stupid.
Gundam 00 is very good series. But somehow it still did not (but it may, seeing how it is improving from one ep to another) affect me as much as Fukuda's series. Maybe it is because, like Wesley84, I watched it as my first Gundam series ever... ok, maybe there was Wing before that. But it is SEED that utterly made me fall into the Gundam multiverse. |
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Thought I'd get that last one out of the way, and then do this one. Then I'm back to class.
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To put what I'm saying in perspective, I (rarely, because sometimes you need to) don't call a subordinate a total moron when he does something I don't think was smart: I call him on exactly what I think went wrong, give him a chance to explain, and then respond accordingly. That not only is better personal skills, but if I turn out to be the one who's wrong (like, "oh, there's an enemy squad around the bend, and you're out of standard position in preparation for that?"), then I haven't made an ass of myself for no reason. Quote:
I should clarify what I said, though. It's not that you annoy me, it's that you remind me of what I was like about 6-7 years ago, when I was in the "I'm a world-aware teenager with a working brain, I know everything" stage. It could be the qualifier situation I mentioned above: that's a big part of it. But I can see you have a very sharp, observant mind. That's good, and it will carry you far. But I can hear your words from a position you can't, and I can also see that you have some experience to gain in various areas. I'm sure your much better off than I was back then (and gods I could be an ass when I tried, before I learned to shut my mouth), but seeing the same mistakes I made feels like I'm doing them all over, and that does hurt. I understand the points you make, and respect them, but it's the formation and delivery that hurt. Quote:
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And Kira's harem wasn't as blatant and silly as Athrun's that's for sure. Quote:
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Why's she with CB doing the same line of work? How does she justify taking on an even greater responsiblity that betrays her nation at the same time? She doesn't seem to care, but at the same time she seems to care too much. I don't really like her, since she's inconsistent and is a bit of a drama queen that likes to feel sorry for herself. She should know better than to be doing what she's doing, but she's doing it anyway. Quote:
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2008-02-18, 14:17 | Link #937 |
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i always hoped there would never be a third season of SEED weither it would be TV or a movie it would have been a waste of time.
Unlike UC the CE universe was weak and didnt receive enought background work from the start in order to be able to withstand a comparison with UC. The best thing in CE ws stargazer it was the only thing i really liked in CE. Gundam SEED will yet remain the serie that gave birth to one the best character in the last decades : Flay alster but aside from that the whole serie was average. Gundam SEED was just a copy and past fron the orignal 0079 (even archangel is a rippoff). Destiny completely destroyed the potential CE universe had. so many things went bad, it s not necessary to discuss about GSD anymore. as for G00, even though the animation is good and the background story has a very good potential, the general plot took way too much time to start, it took em 15 episode to finish setting things up. storytellingwise G00 is weak but the subject being develloped are interresting, i ll have to see how they deal with it. just my 2cents |
2008-02-18, 15:54 | Link #938 |
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I don't perceive Gundam SEED as 0079 rip-off, really. The atmosphere, the characters and overall mood were so different. Better, IMO. Some people may not like this air of innocence that SEED has, but I liked it. A lot. A lot more than the first series which I respect for its pioneership, but for nothing more.
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2008-02-18, 16:14 | Link #939 |
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The reason why people cry "rip off," and with a valid point, is that most of the plot points neatly line up in a format that can roughly be described as "change name A to location B, wording of motivation from C to D, etc." This is to be expected, as Seed was explicitly intended to be a homage/remake of 0079, but it can be aggravating.
I actually didn't mind it so much in Seed, where it worked well for the most part, but it crashed in Destiny at about the point where the writer started changing things for her own interest. |
2008-02-18, 16:19 | Link #940 |
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Well then, please, show me other Gundam pilots. Show me Yzak, Dearka, Nicol counterparts in MSG. Athrun is not really Char-like beside the fact that he pilots red MSs.
SEED was a homage to MSG. But still got so many differences aside analogies that I watched it as a totally different show. Plotwise or, the more, in terms of character/mecha etc. designs. |
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