2013-01-20, 21:50 | Link #921 | |
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2013-01-20, 22:12 | Link #923 | |
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Dark/Disturbing anime shows can sell, but my impression is that they do have a limited customer-base. I do think that SSY probably was hurt a lot by going head-to-head against Psycho-Pass (which has an edge named "Gen Urobuchi"). It reminds me of what Clannad did to True Tears and ef, although SSY's sales situation is more severe of course. An anime show is better off not going head-to-head against a more hyped show with a similar genre and tone. P.S. I'm inclined to think that Madoka Magica sold so phenomenally well, in part, because it brought in both magical girl fans and magical girl critics. I think there was a real hunger out there for a magical girl show with classic-style magical girl aesthetics after Nanoha went all mecha, and as dark as PMMM is, it does provide classic-style magical girl aesthetics. And with PMMM, I think Shinbo's style also helped sales. Maybe SSY should have been done by SHAFT, lol.
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2013-01-20, 22:15 | Link #924 |
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Well, you made the assertion in the first place that the view was a "gross oversimplification, a myth commonly believed in the West", but then your argument was "I haven't seen any indication". So this is why I say that it seems "truthy". I can only base my understanding on what I've read from Japanese fans and my own personal experiences interacting with them (and Japanese "non-fans"), but it's hard to "prove" perception without a serious cultural study. If there is evidence to support your theory, though, I would be interested.
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2013-01-20, 23:35 | Link #925 | ||
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Not sure the Psycho-Pass and Shinsekai Yori comparisons are too appropriate. It's not just about being dark and edgy. SSY's content is much more stylistic and the content is much more unusual (cyberpunks have long been established by series like Ghost in the Shell in anime). Also Psycho-Pass has more notable staffing to help propel it with big names such as Urobuchi Gen (Who is currently hot on the market). Moreover, they marketed this as something akin to their next Ghost in the Shell. So I am not surprised to see Psycho-Pass surpass SSY by a decent margin in sales (Though I still wouldn't call its sales very good either).
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Problem is that the consumers of anime in the west tend to be much more pragmatic. We rather pay a cheap subscription to a place like Crunchyroll, and then if we like it enough choose to but the boxed sets when they are sold at a reasonable price. The GFC made it even more so because consumers here could not financially afford to purchase anime at the prices they were selling (And hey look how much prices on DVD/BD have come down in the US to accommodate this). It isn't too hard to figure out just why Geneon and other licensing companies went south here. Of course comparing the US market's style of consumerism to Japan's is very limited, but like I said before... The anime industry seems to be the only one that is becoming more insular. To be more specific, it is the only one where the price of physical media seems to be going up instead of down. I am not convinced that it has to be this way though.
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2013-01-21, 00:07 | Link #926 | |||
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They were charging Geneon huge licensing fees because they assumed the customer base was there to support. As with most bubbles it seemed at the time that the market had nowhere to go but up. After all the U.S. is double the size of Japan in terms of population. But anime was a "fad" rather than an enduring cultural element. Once the bubble burst, people realized that the remaining customer base was small. It remains a small but not insignificant niche market to this day, and I would suggest that has nothing to do with the price tag. There were more people buying anime back when it was more expensive than there were when it dropped substantially (but raising the price obviously isn't going to bring those people back either). This wasn't all directly correlated with any other financial events either. Quote:
When the market collapsed in ~2006, it was way before services like Crunchyroll went mainstream (Youtube had just started the year previous). Some say it was due to fansubs, but fansubs were around when the market was booming as well. And besides, even if all that you're saying were true, what does it say? You have one market that is more willing to spend a huge amount of money on their niche hobbies, and another that is too "pragmatic" to buy anime even at the now-reduced pricing. What market are you going to focus on? And why is the answer to lower the price further in the market that is willing to pay? In a niche business, lowering the price isn't necessarily going to increase your sales enough to make up for the drop in revenue. (And keep in mind that, if sales rise, so will the licensing fees.) Quote:
Anyway, this topic has been done before, and a recent example is here.
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2013-01-21, 06:27 | Link #927 | |
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+CyberPunk (this includes stuff like AR, Holos, etc). +Urobochi. +Constant gruesome deaths and violent nudity. +Guns. +I repeat, Guns. +Badass 'Edgy' main characters that enjoy violence. +Traditional charismatic villains. It's format is also much, much more episodic (appeals to anime fans) and uses constant 'action' to create false tension (even if it's at the price of believability). |
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2013-01-21, 06:39 | Link #928 | |
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2013-01-21, 08:01 | Link #930 | |
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But yeah I don't get into conversations about anime, as far as they know, I've never even heard of one piece (even though its all over Japan) |
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2013-01-21, 12:35 | Link #931 |
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Well, it's kinda like anything pop culture. A lot of people might have heard of it, but it doesn't necessarily mean they care.
If you asked me about American pop culture, I might be able to gather what you are saying, but I will probably also not give a damn about most of it. That being said, would it be fair to say that at least for the States side of the equation, hard media itself is falling out style?
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2013-01-21, 13:43 | Link #932 | |
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Its strangely got to the point where music CDs cost 75% what the album on iTunes costs. And itunes also had that stupid DRM crap that made it so I could only put it on a few devices. I'll always go for the control Cd gives me, screw DRM (im cool with drm to prevent piracy, but i dont like it when anti-piracy measures cut into honest customer's enjoyment). |
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2013-02-04, 22:14 | Link #933 |
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Another Update!
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2013-02-05, 03:13 | Link #934 |
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Temporal Blu-ray + DVD Sales Rankings for Fall 2012 26,445 *7 Girls und Panzer [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/21 19,370 *1 JoJo's Bizare Adventure[DVD+BD]: 2013/01/30 17,520 *5 Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai! [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/19 13,801 *1 Magi [DVD+BD]: 2013/01/30 12,674 *4 To LOVE-Ru Darkness [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/21 11,723 *2 Gintama' Enchousen [DVD]: 2012/12/19 11,609 *4 Little Busters! [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/26 10,440 *4 Initial D 5th Stage [DVD+BD]: 2012/1/11 *9,928 *3 Hidamari Sketch x Honeycomb [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/26 *9,297 *10 K [DVD+BD]: 2012/11/07 *8,644 *6 Psycho-Pass [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/21 *6,249 *3 Kami-sama Hajimemashita [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/28 *3,386 *1 Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo [DVD+BD]: 2013/01/30 *2,497 *2 Onii-chan Dakedo Ai Sae Areba Kankenai yo ne [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/26 *2,494 *1 Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun [DVD+BD]: 2012/11/21 *2,392 *1 Jormungand Perfect Order [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/21 *2,184 *1 Busou Shinki [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/26 *1,911 *1 Zetsuen no Tempest [DVD+BD]: 2013/1/23 *1,759 1 Ixion Sage DT [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/05 (*3,841 v2 sales) *1,314 *1 Hiiro no Kakera Season 2 [DVD+BD]: 2013/01/29 *1,235 *1 Robotics;Notes [DVD+BD]: 2013/01/23 **,594 *1 Shinsekai Yori [DVD+BD]: 2012/11/30 (v2 sales) **,345 *1 BTOOOM! [DVD+BD]: 2012/11/21 (v3 sales) **,*** *0 Code:Breaker [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/21 **,*** *0 Hayate no Gotoku! Can't Take My Eyes Off You [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/21 **,*** *0 Sukitte Ii na yo [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/26 **,*** *0 Medaka Box Abnormal [DVD+BD]: 2013/01/30 |
2013-02-05, 04:01 | Link #936 | |
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Otherwise the election arc is somewhat weak for some viewers, but it may be compensated by last weekend's 180-degree-turnaround episode -- assuming the same viewers don't let the IRL incidents affect them.
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2013-02-07, 21:30 | Link #938 | |||
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Man those SSY numbers...
At least Psycho-Pass is doing kinda decent for a show of its kind. Quote:
The huge licensing fees that were being charged were a main problem because it basically ensured the demise of oversea markets. Even at the prices back then, anime was too expensive for your typical US consumer. There was no way to make up the huge cost sink of bringing the anime over here. Quote:
Yeah Japan has tons of ways for people to see anime, but who bothers to stay up that late to watch late night TV? These sorts of practices make sure that anime is a smaller circle of people and it is weird for an entire industry to depend on this small group with little intention of trying to move away from it IMO. Quote:
Of course this isn't really a provable claim, but I have also had a harder time getting people into anime lately with the sorts of shows that keep coming out. Strangely, enough. It's all anecdotal, but hey that speaks to me.
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2013-02-08, 01:45 | Link #939 | |
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