[Anime-only] Shippuden Episode 159 Discussion

[KiNA]

Originally Posted by Petbe

Haha, Naruto would show up and be like;

GG no Re *rage quit*



So hoping some gamer out there gets my gamer joke!

Noob!

[Kakashi]

Kakashi's chakra reserves have always been his Achilles heel.

His loss is understated, just like Kakashi always was. The anime team did a good job with this.

[wingdarkness]

Kakashi!! Why didn't you use MonkeyGold Sharingan on Pain from the start?!? Shoulda gave your life and full chakra on one uber body-sucking MS distortion, instead of killing yourself basically for the price of a missle and a board-screw T_T...I guess in the end I don't think Kakashi has ever lived up to the hype that he's been shrouded with since the very start of this series...I always thought he was greater than this, even-though he was still great in this fight...Dammit Kakashi! Just like that and it's all over T_T...What about the face-reveal though????

Choji what-up?!? Where's the butterfly death-mode you used on the Sound Ninja back in the day..I was so waiting for that...

KAAA-KAAAAAAAAA-SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!! ToT

C-C-Copy Ninja Kakashi...RIP...

Who knew Naruto would get all Zeta Gundam on our a$$ like with the quickness?!?!?

Disappointed, but still a 10, for Pain...For this unbearable PAIN...

[Alchemist007]

Pein lives up to his name, no doubt.

[Biggie Smallz]

Yet another hospital trip.

[Mr. Johnny 5]

Originally Posted by Biggie Smallz

Yet another hospital trip.

No.... this time it's the morque.

I suppose Kakashi was nowhere near Jiraiya's level..

[HayashiTakara]

Originally Posted by Mr. Johnny 5

No.... this time it's the morque.

I suppose Kakashi was nowhere near Jiraiya's level..

Of course, remember Kakashi was scared shitless of Orochimaru.

[Uchiha Soul]

No not Kakashi .. God it was so sad .
i didnt believe it at the beginning and i still dont wanna to.
im still not sure i mean in Naruto they always make more focus when someone die but i dont know if they will do it next ep, if they did it then it's real.

their ways of showing the memories make us doubt about it .. when Kakashi didnt go with his team, it meant that he didnt die but Tsunade and Katsyu made like he did really die
his is alive based on him didnt go with his nakama but he is not if we take Tsunade's reaction in consideration.

his meeting with his father got 2 analysis .. first one is Kakashi really died, to meet someone dead means you are dead.
2nd one is he is dying but didnt die yet .. he wanted to join his team but they left him, he contniued his way following them when he saw his dad .. his decision to sit down and has a conv with his dad means his mind is taking break like he is in pause at that moment
his heart stopped but his mind in pause, it's look like stopping but actually it is not .. we always watching this scene in the movies, when someone is about to die, he meets someone dead in his mind start to chat with him but at the end either he survive or die
if the dead person told him to go then he is surviving but if he told him to come with him then this person is died.

well this is my analysis .. i dont know if it's make sense or not .. but i felt like they wanted us to doubt about it although i feel it's real

[HayashiTakara]

It's real, he's dead. Sorry

[MidnightViper88]

Originally Posted by Mr. Johnny 5

I suppose Kakashi was nowhere near Jiraiya's level..

Uhh, yeah, the only substantial thing different between Kakashi and Jiraiya were their approaches in battle tactics, where both were still considered candidate material for the title of Hokage at one point...

Just because Kakashi's final stand didn't last multiple episodes didn't make him inferior at all...

[Kakashi]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

It's real, he's dead. Sorry

HT, always providing comfort when you need it.

[kk2extreme]

matrix ftw

[Waking_Dreamer]

The Rin and Obito part was the best bit...

[Reckoner]

People are forgetting that Kakashi was facing the Yahiko pain from the start, while Jiraiya was fighting the other bodies at first.

I think he happens to be a lot more troublesome and deadly than the others. If Jiraiya faced that Pain from the start, there probably would have been little he could have done.

Yes Jiraiya is stronger, but Kakashi isn't that much weaker... Pain's just a beast.

[AnimeFan188]

Originally Posted by Kakashi

Kakashi's chakra reserves have always been his Achilles heel.

His loss is understated, just like Kakashi always was. The anime team did a good job with this.

Doesn't Tsunade have a technique that allows her to store chakra in her forehead-
symbol?

She should've taught that to Kakashi. Having a chakra-battery to draw upon in time
of need would have helped with that low-chakra problem.

[james0246]

^I don't think there has been any real indication that Infuuin: Kai can be used as a real back-up source of chakra. Specifically, it is unclear if the Seal can even be used for anything other than Souzou Saisei...

[OkamiNoKaze]

Noooooooo! Here's to hoping he's only Mostly Dead, doesn't look like it though. He did put up a pretty good fight though, considering his opponent.

[KaiokenAttack]

Originally Posted by Mr. Johnny 5

No.... this time it's the morque.

I suppose Kakashi was nowhere near Jiraiya's level..

Just why do you say so? Jiraiya only fought three of them, not all six. When Pain summoned the other three, Jiraiya lost an arm, shit his pants and hid behind a barrier. Only that barrier killed the Pain body.
I don't see how it's possible for all the people to forget that. It makes Jiraiya look way stronger than he was.

I agree that Kakashi was weaker, but in fact Jiraiya wouldn't even have been able to touch Pain if it wasn't for the frogs' genjutsu song. He ran away even in sage mode.

[smoke123]

u know...tbh....kakashi has been overrated...tremendously....

its not like i dont like him as a character...

but i mean even in his first real fight that we saw...with the Water guy (the one with the huge cleaver) back when the 3 stooges were still kids

he got entrapped in the water jutsu...


he got owned by itachi..as in he was the O in the owned that time...

bah...just thinking in hindsight i cant remem him doing anything THAT cool...

he was scared of orochimaru back at the chuunin exam...and it doesnt seem like he improved his level at all since then...

bah...he was a character based on being the glue of many character...

-sasuke --teaching him some fundamental jutsus...and being able to bond..Yeah we both have sharingan we will get along...

team leader of naruto and sasuke...

being a sort of jiraiya follower of the ero books....someone jiraiya wud talk to inconfidence about naruto...(so that we the readers can know what the deal is with naruto) i mean logically jiraiya wud tell the hokage whats the current deal with naruto


he ACTED cool and was cool...but thats it...he was never shown to be a great high level fighter...in my opinion

[MidnightViper88]

OK, let's totally take less than a handful of isolated scenarios from over 100 years ago where Kakashi wasn't totally at his A-game, amplify them out of proportion, and then completely disregard of everything relevant that happened in recent time where Kakashi was plenty on-par with his opponents...So Kakashi had some derp moments a long time ago with Zabuza and Itachi; That doesn't detract from the fact that he still stood ground against 3 other Akatsuki members before Pain...

Sometimes, I feel Kakashi gets trashed on just because, for however talented and strategic he is in battle, he doesn't have power levels over 9000 like other surrounding characters within the existence of a shounen title...