2010-12-08, 15:17
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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On one hand, this year saw less fujoshi pandering anime as aside from Shounen Jump, original shounen ai/yaoi anime has stepped aside for the manga fields but as a tradeoff, there was more yuri undertone in my anime. Don't midn that, just noticing some changes in pandering trends. For me, I don't need too much drama or sci-fi but what I am concerned with the type of casts most shounen light novels have nowadays namely the "Harem cast" syndrome. A Jump Editor once said "New Mangaka can't draw cool looking men". In my case, design more interesting male characters both aesthetically and personality. So they opt for more and more cute girls and a token guy for the reader to relate to. Aside from a token male best friend, the male lead hangs out with girls more often then guys. Light Novels are often the source material adapted for anime and as a major source of adaptation material, more authors need to either a) Hire a shounen ai or shoujo manga artist or b) think outside of harem antics and aim for more standard shounen concepts. Hell the Editor said that a good light novel with a decent male cast will be a very profitable venture. The only reason why people want more mecha/sci-fi is because the casts aren't dominated by female characters
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2010-12-10, 09:13
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Vereinigte Staaten
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I think the problem is that anime producers seem to lazy to actually make their shows unique (in the same way that FMP was), because as long as they can get people to watch it then they've succeeded. It's not worth it to them to spend extra time thinking up interesting settings and characters (generalization but still) seeing that they can just insert some lolis and canned anime jokes to get the otaku demographic excited. |
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2010-12-10, 20:42
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Wonder Land
Age: 34
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Mind negative's thoughts only:
-BL: Boys looking so manly or not in high school. -Yuri with moe. I really love to see Yuri that aim at josei or shoujo because girls like yuri too. -Less animes with guys in it. I'm talking about oppsite of harem or K-On -Less plot more crap. Quote:
I really love to see college story the most but that not like going to happen any time. Then again I really like high school with out the romance. Is romance the only genre these days? Sure throw in hints of romance, that would work for me....I guess. The good animes are long ago now. There are most old school or 5 years ago. There about 10( what I watched/ing) good one this year and 30 ecchi/moe. Good one never can't fight back the bad one. Nowadays fans are only in to the ecchi/moe/Harem even if there action they like it with girls and 1 or 2 guys only. The main reason why so many of that is because moe/ecchi/Harem have good sales then normal anime. That why we can't get normal/good. Other then that I can predict the future with more same crap really....So far I only heard about 3 good animes coming out next years(not counting winter 2010/11) and 10 bad one. :\ I will be little happy if there lower down the ecchi or moe. Oh man why can animes be balance nowadays? guys get their stuff and same to girls.
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2010-12-10, 21:19
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Join Date: Nov 2010
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...wait a minute..... ....HIGH SCHOOLERS! Seriously, High School students are the biggest demographics next to 20-something otakus. So you need the content to fit the demographic. I know it's a marketing cliche, but it's the reality we live. Like i've said many many many times at this thread: The anime industry doesn't know how to market itself outside it's main demographics. The industry we all know is only good at appealing to otakus, high school students and girls. That's it. Tell me, when was the last time there was an anime made for housewives or parents to enjoy with their kids? 15 years ago? 20 years ago? Did you guys remember the eigth episode of Ore no Imouto? That episode teaches us that animes are made based on what sells rather than what's good. It's reality guys. We're gonna have 5 to 10 years filled with more high school harem ecchi BS animes (regardless of good or bad) until everyone in this generation starts going to college and everyone in Generation Y begins having a job. By then, the anime industry will start making less high school harem ecchi BS animes. THis is the face of the current marketing & sales department of the anime industry:  The anime industry is filled with more sad Don Drapers than the entire first season of Mad Men.
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2010-12-10, 21:37
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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The tragedy is that they're often circling around excellent "adult/grownup" anime and college setting anime (e.g. Hataraki Man, REC, Honey&Clover, etc). They're just really really comfortable with easy-to-churn-out teen angst harem comedy-drama (really, you can almost graph many series design with lego pieces). Those series actually DO exist but they failed to market it to "housewives or parents to enjoy"
Reason? Anime is still viewed as mostly deviant in the public view. Even avid adult fans conceal their hobby (ala Kirino in Ore Imouto) for fear of wrecking their social/career network. Yeah, its evolving.... but hey this is a country still struggling with the notion that women might do something besides be a housewife.
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2010-12-10, 21:55
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Age: 74
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These aren't 15-20 years old; they come from 2006-2007. Two of them are Noitamina shows. As for parents and kids, I'd say Erin, Higepiyo and Chi are all strong contenders among shows from the past few years. Dennou Coil, Moribito, Natsume Yuujinchou, Shion no Ou, and Nijuu Mensou, too, if you include older children. None of these shows were aired in the past year. That's what concerns me.
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2010-12-10, 22:18
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Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Hen-Tie pen
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I dunno this one fits to this thread but I think School Days is an embarassment to the anime industry,though not completely.
First its 'epic' ending. Then some non-canonical ONA shows and finally an altered and even more 'epic' ending of Spoiler for ....:
SD have multiples endings but the director deliberately choose the bad ones to boost the sales. It is annoying but funny to see some otakus still buying SD DVDs today even it is already three years old. SD is an otaku garbage that should stay in otaku landfill rather than more mainstream world. |
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2010-12-10, 22:22
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Pretentious moe scholar
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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That said, I do get the impression that the manga and light novel publishers who tend to collaborate with the anime industry have substantial teenage fanbases. (I suspect that having less teenage boys in the target market may be part of the reason why the K-On! anime has less fanservice than the manga - that and the fact the show has a decent female fanbase and a female director. I also suspect that there's a number of cultural factors at play here, including the fact that first romances stereotypically happen in high school (and anime fans love cute romances), as well as idealization of the high school time period - perhaps unsurprising when you consider Japan's economic state in recent years. Having graduated recently, I have to say that being a student is a lot more fun than trying to get by in a crap job market. As for whether we'll see more ecchi... I'm skeptical on that one. Again, as I mentioned earlier, I think a large chunk of the appeal of ecchi to producers is the consistent sales numbers, not that the shows actually sell all that well. Of six TV anime I can think of to break 15,000 units this year, only one is something I'd classify as ecchi.
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2010-12-10, 22:25
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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I'd guess I'd answer:"It's called Sazae-san and gets by far the highest anime ratings every week"? What about things like Cross Game,Denno Coil or Shugo Chara and Yumeiro Patissière are those not family anime?
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2010-12-10, 23:06
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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Don't see why people think the outlook is negative...
In Japan? Don't see how it would go down, with the amount of sales of stuff (Collector's item, i.e. DVD/BD, PVC, Wall Scrolls, etc. = #1 money maker for a LONG time...). Negative outlook b/c of all animes seems to do nowaday is selling moe? If it ain't broke, why fix it? Trying to go to another demographic sometimes work (i.e. Wii targeting non-hardcore gamers), but does that mean Microsoft/Sony HAVE to go down that route to generate money? Not really, even though they did anyway b/c it generate extra money... Quote:
Plus, Japanese TV have more than animes...start watching some J-Drama for once... As for U.S. outlook? Neutral b/c it'll never be as mainstream as it is in East Asia... Quote:
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2010-12-10, 23:57
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Join Date: May 2007
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I will quote the most "controversial" and interesting parts: Spoiler for space:
Oddly enough, I find myself agreeing with most of his points. I don't think the issue per se is the content: over abundance of a particular genre (mostly adaptations, of course), or the lack of original works. The problem, I believe, is that anime has not been able to reach a wider audience, and in case of adaptations, target people outside of the pre-established fanbase. He cited Index and Toradora as two examples, arguing that they only serve for the purpose of promoting the original work, but there are countless others that may fit the bill. When I look at the current anime adaptations, I can't help but notice that the audience of most of the works are the light-novel and manga readers. You can even see this in the current discussions at AS: the people sometimes most interested in a show are those familiar with the source material. It is a problem in the long term, if the industry can only depend on the "same people" to buy their works, because in doing so it cannot grow---this in part is the "dead-end" Yamakan is speaking of. Anime, as he argues, is becoming more and more exclusive (if not isolated) into a niche. I think the "solution" is not creating original works or a more varied selection of shows; the "industry" may be too dependent of adaptations at the moment---which is the only one thing that may have a higher rate of success, and so they have to appeal to the fanbase---, but they should also have in mind creating something that can captivate a larger audience, something anyone can enjoy, which admittedly is much harder to achieve. In doing so, it will allow room for more people "to get into anime", thus creating a higher demand. I believe Yamakan has an interesting opinion if not vision of the anime industry. it will be sad to see a person of this straight forward view go: he announced he will retire from anime should Fractale fail, but I want to think he still has a lot to offer for the industry to grow---his opinion and works should speak themselves. I wonder what shows produced in the past year have had a wider appeal. I'm willing to bet in the currently airing Kuragehime as the kind of show (adaptation) that should be done more often: accessible/ funny humor, simple story, enjoyable characters, plenty of non-obstrusive "easter eggs"---and it's a work that can stand on its own. |
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2010-12-11, 00:46
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: 国立音ノ木坂学院
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Sigh, another point to add to the lack of originality is that it's just MUCH cheaper to adapt something rather than having people to write a story. I mean, less time, less people needed, etc..
At the end, original works and adaptation generate around the same amount of money (mostly in terms of related goods), and if you're making business decision, you would go with adaptation 9 out of 10 times. There's always the "wall", though. Anime is either view as kids' stuff (America), a niche subculture (Most of Asia, even though the "sub"culture has a fair substantial population). Is it possible to break that wall? There's Gundam (which is almost as "mainstream" as it goes...at least even non-hardcore anime fan / otaku knows what "Gundam" is). Even then, it doesn't appeal to, let say, housewives. And also, between 1979 and 2010 (soon 2011), thousands of anime have air, but how many has been as successful as Gundam? You can probably count them with your fingers... Yes, getting a more wide audience would generate more money. I mean, just look at the Wii.. Then, we all know the acceptance of Wii in hardcore gamer circle... |
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2010-12-11, 01:14
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Look, what Yutaka Yamamoto failed to mention is that if you want to start original works, you have to start adapting other materials into anime first so that you can start getting known in the industry and that people will take you seriously as an anime director/producer/writer before making your own original work.
The reason why some original works became successes and some don't is because the successful ones are made by well-known individuals in the anime industry whereas the original works that don't succeed are made by rookies. Star Driver was a success because it had people like Takuya Igarashi and Shinchiro Watanabe involved, whereas Anime no Chikara's works didn't meet the success it intends to have because it's animes were made by people who aren't well known unlike Igarashi or Hideoki Anno. Even Miyazaki started doing anime adaptations before making his original works. That's how the anime industry is like. Even Bakuman mentions this in one of it's chapters. It will take an animator 10 adaptations to make before he can even start off making his own original anime. it sucks, but it's all about making yourself known first.
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2010-12-11, 03:01
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The problem is that they don't know how to market their stuff, and they can't afford to take much risk. |
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2010-12-11, 03:03
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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Of course, but adaptation material has to change as well. One thing that is a somewhat of a problem is the harem love comedy situations in Light Novels. Can we have a Light Novel where there is more guys than girls that is a Shounen series? And hell stop putting a girl in the front image
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2010-12-11, 03:43
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost
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Well, a suggestion would be stopping looking at light novels and start looking at the more mainstream litterature, be it japanese, asia outside japan or even the western sphere (europe and america).
There used to be a time when Japan adapted great classics of the western litterature, like Tom Sawyer, Little Princess, The Three Musketeers, Little Women and so on. Those were enjoyed by anyone who grew up watching anime in the 1980s. I refuse to believe that executives could not possibly have read or ever heard about other books that are as marketable as those they have adapted. There is plenty of books that could make good material for adaptations, Harry Potter COULD appeal to a wide audience, Anne Rice's vampire stories, Lovecraft's stories, Musashi by Yoshikawa, The Ice Company by Georges-Jean Arnaud, and the list go on. But the problem seems to be how the studio should market this stuff to a wider audience, because there is clearly, in my opinion, a problem of "educating the audience who may want to buy the DVD/Bluray and make them understand that even if that story doesn't have magical girl/loli/moe/spiked-haired teenager/giant robots/big beams of doom, it IS still a good story". |
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2010-12-11, 04:19
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Thessaloniki - Greece
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2010-12-11, 04:28
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 Sir, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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