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Perfect 10 | 11 | 28.95% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 14 | 36.84% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 12 | 31.58% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 1 | 2.63% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2015-04-15, 19:40 | Link #81 |
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He died because he was a villain and the story called for him to be vanquished, lest you suffered a Bad End.
That said, Gilgamesh, being canonically the strongest Servant, is supposed to be OP--IIRC his armor was able to tank an Excaliblast in the VN, as opposed to the Ea/Excalibur beam war from the anime, or something to that effect. In a direct confrontation, I don't think Caster had a hope of surviving against the Gate of Babylon. That said, Caster's not really the type to fight directly unless she has an overwhelming advantage. If she had Archer on her side when confronting Gilgamesh, chances are she would've won, since Shirou/EMIYA's abilities are tailor-made to countering Gilgamesh as it is, and if you add her other advantages (Assassin if available, Kuzuki, her Territory, etc), she'd have a pretty good advantage over the resident gamebreaker. Gilgamesh probably has the best chance of taking out ORT, aside from, I dunno, Zelretch. I can see him possibly winning if he used Ea at full power right away, but I don't think anyone really knows what the full capabilities of ORT are, besides his terraforming ability and Word of God saying that Type-Mercury is the most powerful entity in the franchise at current.
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2015-04-16, 01:53 | Link #82 |
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Shirou and Archer's abilities are a very specific counter to Gate of Babylon. And even WITH that, there is only one reason Shirou won: Gilgamesh was too proud to get serious, and by the time he actually bothered to pull out Ea it was too late.
He lost to Saber because she just HAPPENED to have the ONE thing in the world that's more OP than Ea. Now you might argue that Caster would stand a chance if she exploited Gilgamesh's pride, but it doesn't quite work out that way. Perhaps there is some verrrry specific situation in which she could have won. But that's even more of a longshot than Shirou winning because his ability just happened to be super effective/Gilgamesh considered Shirou to be so far beneath him that he never bothered to get serious. I guess if she had Archer on her side, she could do it. I'm not underestimating Caster. Trust me. But the fact that she is physically weak is a fact that remains horribly exploitable in any confrontation involving ranged attacks (which is Gilgamesh's specialty, one of several good reasons he's classed as Archer). |
2015-04-16, 02:15 | Link #83 | |
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Also, the Grail is a super counter to servants that can break down their body. In UBW, Gil could have got out of the Grail if Archer had not shot him in the head. Sakura caught Gil by surprise and decomposed him quickly. In Zero, did it look like Gil was even remotely damaged in the dogfight with Zero Beserker. |
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2015-04-16, 07:13 | Link #84 | |||||
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I was also going to mention that Void!Shiki would probably be able to defeat ORT a lot easier than Gil or Zelretch, but I suppose invoking Void!Shiki is about as silly as bringing up ORT in the first place... Quote:
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Secondly, the point is not that he took damage from the chaff (which technically he did, since as far as we're shown his flying boat thing was destroyed?), but that an opponent that literally couldn't think managed to take Gil by surprise. Are you trying to tell me that Berserker could surprise Gil, but not Caster? I bet if Caster surprised Gil with a pound of antimatter instead of chaff from a jet, it would leave a bit more of a mark. |
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Some of the relevant lines, I seriously don't want to search for more. Spoiler for Quoted from HF:
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2015-04-17, 10:03 | Link #88 | |
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Also because I don't have a PSP/PSVita, I'll just have to take your word for the CCC stuff. On that note, was Nasu involved with the writing in CCC? I seem to remember he was, but I'm not that confident since I never kept up with Fate/Extra. |
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2015-04-17, 10:41 | Link #90 | |
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2015-08-30, 17:13 | Link #93 |
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Fate/stay night 14 - The Princess of Colchis
UBW produced by UFO Table does several things right, and one of them is exposing more background information on the other servants and masters. The first Fate anime, produced by DEEN, did not delve that deeper due to being based on the Fate route of the original VN game.
Anyways, as I've seen and read many countless times before it's a likely warranty to be doomed for a Master to summon Caster as his or her Servant. The Caster class are literally mages on their own, and this particular Caster being the mythological Princess Medea proved me how frightening and scary both deception and betrayal are. Nonetheless, I do not blame Caster for what she did to her former Master; that guy being aside a total jerk he was quite unfitting to be a mage regarding his methods. It would be childish of me to say things such as mages from the antique era were far knowledgeable regarding the workings and nature of magic than modern mages. No, I think the matter is applying common sense and upholding both a sense of aesthetics and reality. Caster's former master to me felt like a child overreacting at the thought of finding his father's gun to play with it. In this case, the analogy applies to the thrill at getting himself selected for the Fifth Holy Grail War and made too obvious blunders and mishapes. What I get from most of the Caster class is that they operate in stealth and shadows and make a priority to gather intel and information at how to deal with different threats with utmost effectiveness. Just to diver the topic, that Master and Caster were not compatible and there was no affinity amongst them, unlike Caster and her affinity with her current master Souichirou; as Rin exposed to Shirou, each one of us has someone we hold a more personal compability with, and there are others we don't get along by nature. This is for the first half regarding Caster... The second half went from serious to ominously tragic and then heading for an epic battle.... Simply, Gil slaying both Sella and Leysritt just in the nick of time for Illya to burst in to witness the aftermath of such massacre warrants Berseker vs. Gil in a cosmic battle against two Demi-gods. |
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