2019-01-26, 22:00 | Link #81 | |||
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The reasons why that reduced flame can kill Veretharagna, because he stood at the pointblank range and the god was willing to be killed. I, too, have been a fan of this series since 2012. I've also read all the volumes. It's just a matter of clashing perspective and opinions. Quote:
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Godou's behavior changed was due to his authority effectively calmed his mind down and the girls doesn't behave differently with [Youth]'s divine protection. You said that if Voban's wolf follow the [boar]'s principle. It might run wild and disobey Voban. His werewolf doesn't possess an ego nor personality. However, it has intelligence and instinct to get the job done. I'll guess I'll use AI or robot instead of puppet then. It might convey my message a little bit better. |
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2019-01-26, 23:30 | Link #82 | |||||
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(Volume 3 / Chapter 4 / part 3) because it uses the word ENERGY STORED, instead of STORED SKILL Sir Brennan a skilled magician, equipped with a divine tool, used this method in his duel with Voban, he also used a spell to reinforce the attack and did not reach a tenth of a god's power, Verethragna was still magically powerful enough to fire a lightning over Godou. If Godou used his own power he certainly would not have enough to kill Verethragna, and if [Prometheus' Grimoire] stole only skills, without stealing magical power, then the god himself without an authority would have killed Lucretia and regained his authority without being transformed into an empty shell. Even a god on the verge of death has much more power than a human, this god escaped from the confinement and went after the [Prometheus' Grimoire] to regain his power, in his morinbundo state he beat Lu Yinghua, Sayanomiya Kaoru and Amakasu Touma. If Lucretia just took her skill / authority, she would be dead long before the series started PS: all that I have read so far about [Prometheus' Grimoire], and that a human who attempts to use the stored divine power can suffer an agonizing death. "By the way, I wanted to remind you.It is better if you do not use the stored divine power. For humans is very powerful. If used, it can cause the brain and blood of the whole body to boil. An extremely painful death. The user before me also died like this.I'm not fooling you. " (Volume 3 / Chapter 6 / Part 1) But I may be wrong so could you show me where it was said that Godou used his life force to use it? Quote:
But if in that state he is still fragile, then all that remains is to say that God Rama is made of sugar when he does not have the great ritual of the Old Covenant to support, and even more fragile than a divine beast. So the [Camel] can not kill a god who uses The great ritual of the Old Covenant. Quote:
Among all the authorities that Godou took from Verethragna, [Gale] [Adolescent] [Ram] are the only ones I know who can not kill a god, all the others can kill if you know how to use it at the right time. These are authorities to kill a god. The human, divine beasts and others are piece of cake, or at least, and so it should be, following the logic of the series Quote:
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Until the volume 2 of Shiniki no Campioness, I had the impression that Riona looks at Ren more like a partner, for Cassandra he is more like a brother, and Stella, well she seems to be a passionate tsundere, but she is already with him a lot more time than the others. Last edited by GodSoul; 2019-01-27 at 09:38. |
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2019-01-27, 09:48 | Link #83 | ||
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1. Rama was caught off guard thus his defense is lower. 2. He wasn't in his peak physical condition which mean less durability and fire power. (His peak form does indeed show an even stronger attack power.) 3. It hit his vital spot. His heart was show to be particularly weak. Luo Hao was capable of subduing him with a blow to the chest. The aftermath of this attack was the same. 1.Rama got hit at his chest area. 2. His body exploded violently. In vol. 17, Godou managed to defeat Rama with [Camel] due to the intervention of Athena. Her cursed caused him to lose a sizable amount of magical energy and dispelled his awakened state. In vol.21, Complete Rama didn't say that he would've died. He only said that Godou kick was weaker than usual, and still pretty nonchalant about it. This is the only time when fully powered Rama vs [Camel] 「……Your kick, it was weaker compared to before.」 Rama talked suspiciously while Godou was still bending over him. As expected from a war god, he was nonchalant even after getting hit on the temple. 「I am already defeated by your kick twice.」 「Both of them were because you were dog tired from only just getting revived, or when you lost control, so they cannot be used as reference. More importantly」 Godou even said himself that it didn't count Rama isn't weak, but [Camel] doesn't have enough power to kill the god, unless said god was weaken, caught off guard or hit the vital spot. Godou couldn't even kill [Bull] with this authority. Last edited by roronoa20; 2019-01-27 at 10:14. |
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2019-01-27, 10:55 | Link #84 | |
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The kicks vary in strength, a kick with full power explodes, burns, etc the target, leading to destruction, the normal kick just breaks your body, or sometimes causes smaller bursts of energy. Basically you can not compare these scenes, they are different times for all sides, remembering that Rama even without his sword and pact claimed to be able to defeat Athena in direct combat. And in any case it has already been reported that a [Camel] kick can destroy Dragon-level divine beasts, it's actually a simple thing to kill these beasts, Ame no Murakumo in Ena's hands could do that, and it became clear that being used by Godou is even bigger (battle against Hanuman). |
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2019-01-27, 11:25 | Link #85 | ||
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Every time that Godou scored a win, it's that explosive kick. I can definitely compare these scene. The condition is similar. Rama's tired and not in his complete state. Godou even uses the same attack Rama can beat Athena in a single combat. That's the fact. However, it was a curse that Athena used against Rama, they weren't having a mexican stand off and lunging at each other. Quote:
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2019-01-27, 12:15 | Link #86 | |
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I quoted Ame in Murakumo to show that there is variation of power of an Authority according to the power of the user. |
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2019-01-27, 12:24 | Link #87 | |
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In Baka's translation, Voban never mention a lost of magical energy at all, and he lost several full authorities. |
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2019-01-27, 13:57 | Link #88 | |||
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Apparently, the person who had just crushed the sense of Ren's curiosity spoke of his past simply as a whim. Along with a dignified expression that could only come from the nobility of the past, the Marquis Voban twisted his lips into something that was not a mocking, much less cynical smile. Immediately afterwards, Fenrir's body lying behind him disappeared. Suddenly it was shattered when they themselves had turned to dust and scattered through the air. However, the senses of Ren, of the Assassin of Gods known as Ren, saw this. The magical power that lay in the body and soul of the great Fenrir wolf was being absorbed by its predator. (volume 2 / Chapter 4 / Part 1 = Shiniki no Campioness) """"The magical power that lay in the body and soul of the great Fenrir wolf was being absorbed by its predator. """"" In this text of SNC you can read MAGIC POWER, no skills / authority, and MAGIC POWER. If the usurpation of divine power happens only once, as you yourself say. And after killing another god, divine power will not be gained, only abilities / authorities, because Godou did not receive a Lancelot authority? Guinevere did not steal Lancelot's abilities / authority, she stole his divine power, and as the two are different(how do you say), it makes no sense Godou does not have a skills / authority of Lancelot. Quote:
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Godou did not want to kill Rama, his goal was to defeat him and become his friend to defeat the goddess of fate. Last edited by GodSoul; 2019-01-27 at 14:52. |
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2019-01-27, 15:00 | Link #89 | ||
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Power is an ability to do something. Energy is a strength require to sustain physical or mental activity. Of course, God's divine power would become an authority when usurped by godslayer. When Alec gained [The Labyrinth], he never mentioned an increase in magic capacity. Godou gaining Sun Stealer or losing his incarnation has never mention a change in his internal magic reserve. If killing a god increase your reserve, shouldn't the author put it in his author notes or somewhere in the series? In the entirety of this series, not even once that Godou has his magical capacity increased except the time he became godslayer. Quote:
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2019-01-27, 15:10 | Link #90 | |
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Besides that Man of Steel is a defensive Authority that already supports the White Stallion without any notable damage, it does not serve as a basis. |
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2019-01-27, 15:34 | Link #91 | |
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In the campione series that I read, magical power, aka ki / chi / qi are the same, and authorities consume large amounts of magical power or aka ki / chi / qi, this was stated throughout the series, I am impressed by someone who says he is a fan of the series since 2012 have read all the volumes, not knowing this. I think it's not just our perspective and opinions that are different, the series we are reading should also be. I'm wrong to think that you and I are reading the same series. So, frankly, I'm sorry for making you waste your time. |
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2019-01-27, 15:50 | Link #92 | |
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I'm truly sorry for using the word 'magical energy'. I intend use this word since it might do a better job conveying what I want to say. 'Magical energy' that I use mean 'ki /chi /qi' or whenever that used to fuel the authority. If it confuse or upset you, I'm truly sorry. The point that I want to say is. There's no mention of magical power got increased from usurping divine power. Godslayer only gain authority when usurp gods authority. Voban never stated that he lost his magical energy in SNC. If what you said is the case, then it should be written in the book. I definitely read the same series as you, regardless of what you've thought. Talking to you is pretty fun for me though. At least, I hope it won't end with a sour note. |
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2019-01-27, 16:18 | Link #93 | |
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So let's use the perspective of a game: Mp for magical power. Voban has 2000 Mp and Fenrir wolf has 1000 Mp (this is just an example) During his fight Voban spends 1000 mp, and Fenrir wolf spends 900 Mp, then vobam kill Fenrir wolf when only 100 Mp is missing, by the logic he must earn 100 mp of Fenrir. If the divine power of Fenrir is in Voban, over time he must recover those 900 of Mp that were spent by Fenrir in his fight, but the 1000 he spent, a total of 3000 or he can regain only power comparable to authority which he obtained, in that case when Voban is recovering he would have between 2000 and 3000 Mp points (this is just an example) When Godou became campione, he remained several hours unconscious, its magical power and its authorities should be recovering during this time and adapting to Godou. "There is no way to know which one had the most magical power, but I bet on Voban, and this 2000 and 1000 numbers are mere illustrations to convey my point of view, it has no relation to the series." I also think it's fun to talk to you and discuss the series Last edited by GodSoul; 2019-01-27 at 16:31. |
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2019-01-27, 16:38 | Link #94 | |
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For me, I think when godslayer usurps a god. It's similar to a random drop after you fight the boss. It can be either weapons, armors or magics. It won't have any effect on user's base status until activate. And player need to supply Mp in order for them to work. Voban killed Fenrir, and the dog dropped [Ragnarok wolf]. I'm gladded that you feel the same. |
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2019-01-28, 07:38 | Link #96 | |
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His Judging Furies also superior to the Retribution of Nemesis when it comes to cause-effect, if completed, would be the end of Ren. |
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2019-01-28, 08:32 | Link #97 | |
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Ren does not have an offensive authority that allows him to attack first(differently Alex), so the first attack would come from Alex. Ren also has Stella, who counts as her authority, she can summon a friend deity who can give Weapons Divine to Ren, even if Alex has very flexible strategies, he needs to know the opponents' abilities, in a first encounter I would give victory and Ren, but if the fight goes on, I'd say Alex wins. |
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2019-01-28, 09:21 | Link #99 | |
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Nemesis's authority relies on counterattack. Alec doesn't have an authority that use for physical confrontation, except lightning from his [Black lightning] which isn't powerful like Voban or Godou's lightning. I don't remember if his lightning can breach godslayer magic or not. If not, then nemesis counterattack won't do much. Alec's manifiesting avatar allows physical attack passed through his body, since you can't really attack plasma, unless your name is Luo Hao. [Weird greed] and [Judging Fury] is a little bit of a stretch here. It can be a key to Ren's agonizing death or victory. Nemesis's authority is powerful enough to reflect [Boar] and copy [White Stallion]. If [judging fury] is used and Ren manage to stock an attack from them. I'm fairly confident that he can use his speed to escape from their attacks. He might be able to find a good timing to use it and deal a decisive blow to Alec in his physical form. [Weird greed] can be directly return to Alec or stored for future use. Both of these authorities can end Ren instantly though. [Black Lightning] attack mode will kill Ren without question. He can't return Voban's [Red Punishment], so Ren can't reflect a large scale attack instantly. This authority is probably one of the most efficient in dealing with gods or godslayer. The attack originate from Alec's body, so he can just activate his godspeed, run to their face and use it to his enemy at a pointblank range. if Ren survive. Alec will be dead, since he can't use his speed to escape the copied [Black Lightning] anymore. However, [Friendship Ring] can be a trump card for Ren too. If he manage to summoned a powerful god, and that god agrees to help him. It will tip the match into Ren's favor. In conclusion, I find this will end it a stalemate where Alec's attack can't really do anything to Ren, and Ren doesn't have a mean to seriously incapacitate Alec either. If Alec gains knowledge about Ren's authority. He probably going to do nothing and use his godspeed to either escape or get what he want, since Ren can't follow his speed. Last edited by roronoa20; 2019-01-28 at 09:40. |
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