2008-04-13, 11:33 | Link #82 | |
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That will create NEW oppressions. And as for hope, Suzaku is fighting to take away hope from the people of Europe.
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2008-04-13, 11:36 | Link #83 | ||||
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2008-04-13, 11:37 | Link #84 | ||
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He's not invading the Europeans because he wants to, it's because he HAS to. Get that down on paper. It's HIS JOB. And even if it creates new Repressions, when Suzaku is able to change the system, he may be able to create a brighter future, albeit under Britannian rule. Quote:
Think about all the families that lost their brothers and sisters due to Zero's rebellion. Can't fault Zero for the pain he caused to those families as well.
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2008-04-13, 11:41 | Link #86 |
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Well, in the end of ep 1 he said "I am the one who will kıill Zero" he said zero not lelouch. I don't think he is really wants to kill lelouch he want to stop zero. It will be stupid if he can't understand lelouch a little but, yes Euffie's death is really dramatic for him and after trowing his father watch he seems to change so much. But I am on suzaku's side. In the ende he is White knight
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2008-04-13, 11:42 | Link #87 | ||
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There is no excuse; Suzaku joined the army, and that means he knows he will have to kill innocent people overseas. He joined up anyway, which means this job of his was done out of his own free will. You can't dismiss mass killing of people defending their nationhood as a "job". Indeed, if that's Suzaku's mentality, he will NEVER be able to change Britannia. Everyone in Britannia is doing their job, just like him. Thus if doing one's job can mean a lack of moral responsibility, then Britannia is perfectly fine and does not need to change at all. Quote:
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2008-04-13, 11:44 | Link #89 | ||||
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I never said there's no discrimination in America, I just said look at the past and the now, and discrimination isn't as plain blatant as it was back then. Hell, you could be sued for it and called a racist on national tv and get murdered socially for it. Quote:
Proven by his Jesus style of combat. Quote:
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2008-04-13, 11:46 | Link #90 | ||
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I was pointing out that we have mounting evidence that Suzaku has no desire to help Japan or anyone else. Evidence "A" being the fighting in Europe. Quote:
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2008-04-13, 11:52 | Link #92 | ||||
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Cecile did that? Lloyd did that? The Student Council did that? Euphemia and Nunnally did that? Hell, even Schneizel never did that. Suzaku knows people like them exist and that if they use each other, they could change the system. Quote:
But now, that doesn't matter for him. All he wants now is to sacrifice others to achieve his goal, just like Lelouch does it. Quote:
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Remember, Lelouch sacrificed his entire army for his sister. They are now the same people who sacrifice others to achieve their ends.
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2008-04-13, 11:53 | Link #93 | |
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Stop posting. NOW. Joining the army BACK THEN has no bearing to what Suzaku's goals are NOW. Completely different. This discussion just ended. EDIT: Sorry for the double post.
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2008-04-13, 11:59 | Link #94 | |
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According to you, Suzaku is happy to sacrifice the ENTIRE Planet for his goal. That's a bit more than what Lulu is doing. And we still aren't sure if his goal involved more than "dying in battle", which had been the only thing he ever came up with on his own. If any new Emperor made Britannia a better place, it would be a credit to the new Emperor and nothing to do with Suzaku. Suzaku is now helping the CURRENT Emperor, which means whatever new Emperor would have to fight Suzaku to get to the top.
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2008-04-13, 12:03 | Link #95 | |
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Suzaku is happy to sacrifice the freedom of people and the lives of a few in order to have a chance in changing Britannia from the inside by acquiring more and more power. And Suzaku is already changing the system just by being Knight of Rounds. If he is able to curry the favor of the Emperor, new or present, he will have created change. You can't say Suzaku did nothing by that point.
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2008-04-13, 12:07 | Link #96 | |
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And curry the favor of the Emperor means doing exactly what he is told. Which in the case of the Emperor is to keep doing what the Empire is doing. Suzaku would have a better chance if he was a Knight of one of the Emperor's children. At least then they will have an incentive to change the administration by taking power.
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And Jesus style of combat? You mean, not killing non-combatants indiscriminately? One would think that would be rather normal behaviour indeed for a grunt. Besides just because he doesn't kill civilians doesnt mean that he doesn't have a deathwish himself. Quote:
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2008-04-13, 12:11 | Link #99 | |
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To effect change, he needs power. To obtain said power, he needs to gain Imperial backing. He cannot back away anymore. This is the only path allowed to him. At the very least, this you should understand.
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