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but if it wasn't...most assuredly kaguya and BZ can come back (just like she came back this time with the help of madara) so in that context the sealing is not permanent. apparently it never is, but with BZ stating he would have to wait around to revive Kaguya then naruto showing up and throwing him to the moon, it makes it less likely that someone would repeat the steps to revive them. plus they are in another dimension. im excited for next chapter…for a lot of reasons. 15 kage reasons that is but it would be awesome if for some crazy reason that newly formed moon came crashing down to earth and someone had to sacrifice themselves to send it back...
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2014-08-29, 11:53 | Link #82 |
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finally, the ultimate enemy is defeated, as most has already said yes it was kinda dull. i would have liked if kishi would have made a powerful end, like when he death of pain and itachi, but then again kaguya wasn't such a character.
so the struggles of the characters as well as the readers have come to an end. the next few chapters would be nice to read, without fights that don't go anywhere. i really hope, naruto vs sasuke is really great battle, without god like powers.
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2014-08-29, 12:11 | Link #83 | |
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@Miraluka.. reading the chapter made me realize we were really under a genjutsu (I can't believe the hype-train wrecked like that..) Anyway, this is the pit where fan-service takes us. Kishi, gb for betraying yourself and your regular the manga goers. Next, 10 more chapters with Madara enduring the Talk no Jutsu (bet he'd suffer electrocution over this) with some closing touches like: mass resurrection, Kage title (to you know who), and blissful sunset (with loads of partying I hope!). Last edited by QS_Bilal; 2014-08-29 at 12:38. |
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2014-08-29, 13:07 | Link #84 | ||
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i feel like we're having the tobi/obito debate all over again. did the boulder crush his right eye? some said "yes it was certain". i said "we didn't know since we didnt see it actually happen". in this case, we didn't see BZ get sealed or get stuck inside the new moon |
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2014-08-29, 13:19 | Link #85 |
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^ Even if BZ isn't sealed along with Kaguya. Even if he escapes the "new moon". He is still trapped in another dimension. With no way of returning to earth. Also Kaguya can only be unsealed by rinnegan. So BZ has no way of freeing her.
And seeing how Naruto and Sasuke will finally resolve the Indra/Ashura deal. There will be no more transmigrants after them. Meaning no more rinnegans. Thus kaguya and BZ will forever stay trapped!
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Indras' chakra + Ashura's chakra = Rinnegan No transmigrants, no rinnegan!
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2014-08-29, 13:42 | Link #88 | ||
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heck, all you have to do is edo tensei a former rinnegan user personally i'm sick of the rinnegan, so i'd prefer to never see it again |
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Personally imo I can say this will not happen. Based on facts. That's my opinion.
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but unlike the obito debate/speculation, we did see BZ get trapped. it was depicted in three separate panels. we heard BZ openly state he intended to redo the entire process again only for naruto to intervene. Chibaku tensei is the seal and both she and her will are now trapped inside. Be it wise or not, based on what i ready, my stance is that BZ is done. (meaning that in the event he returns, i will admit that i was wrong) What i am speculating on is whether or not Madara will have residual kaguya like powers and cause trouble or not, or if the sage himself isn't up to something... Quote:
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re: tobi. it was blatantly obvious. folks were just in denial re: hokages. i don't remember these discussions, but in retrospect one could argue that four of the greatest heroes in the story were not gonna remain trapped forever. now villains on the other hand lmao
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I see where you are coming from but lose this mentality. It does not apply to this manga (did it ever?). That is a fact. I agree with Itachi-san314 on this one. For the first half of the manga, we were given the strong impression that Obito was a fellow teammate with Kakashi. We were shown his grave several times and Kakashi giving his prayers there. Done. Nothing more was to be though of it. Then we got the back ground story at the start of the latter half of the serial of how the team were involved in the Third Shinobi War. We saw Obito get crushed by a boulder (and 13yo Rin doing a Kage-lvl transplantation on the spot). It was done. It was heartfelt and neat. Loop closed. This was only reinforced by the Kyuubi attack on Konaha two years later. It couldn't of been his friend Obitio. Clearly, it is Madara who attacked Konaha on the night of the Kyuubi attack to take revenge on the Uchiha for betraying him and his grievances w/ the village for rejecting him and his Kage candidacy and other reasons (moons eye plan.) Who else could have fought toe-toe with a WMD* ? (Keep in mind The Fourth was a revered figured up until this point) How could Obito reach Kage lvl prowess so fast (the strongest kage I might add).. how did his own sensi not realize his own student's chakara and combat style or for that matter why would he become so damn r-tarded overnight (the Rin explanation would have sounded like since this is the entire bases for the Manga..) Lets not forget that Itachi bluntly said he massacred the Uchiha with Madara. Only people in denial used to say otherwise. The wild goose chase of this concoction was done after this even by the naysayers. There was and still is no real evidence. Only absurdity (if you've followed this Manga for more than a few years.. its that much harder to swallow). * WMD refers to Namikaze Minato - aka The Fourth Note: The first was considered weak sauce back then. Remember Orichimaru's Edo-Tensei ? There is a reason Plot no Jutsu got its name from here.. Therefore to sum up, this whole argument that "Black" Zetsu is sealed in Chibaku Tensei and unable to cross dimensions is weak to say the least. We have seen mountains move compared to this (see the whole Obito rant above^). Like Itachi-san314 said, there is no 'no way' in this Manga. The possibilities are limitless! Five hundred chapters later, we learn Naruto hurled a shadow clone... or that the seal wasn't strong enough (or it didn't apply to him). Or we could have him give as elaborate explanation for it and how he survived like he did when Hamaru and Higomaru sealed Kaguya for the first time. Anyway, I hope next chapter will give us a good explanation from the Sage on why they needed to seal their Mother.. like seriously what happened to her. Did she wake up crazy one morning ? In any case, Kishi's had one too much to smoke while writing this -_- No excuses there. P.S. The trans-migrant/Rinnegan issue can be solved by the likes of a future Orochimaru if need be if there are really no more future generations (which I heavily - resolving their conflict hardly cuts it.. didn't Madara & Hishirama do the same several times.. they didn't hold malice against one another, it was more like the Gui/Kakashi rivalry. As far as we know, its a natural process of chakra continuity (which is paradoxical in its own sense). Lastly, Zetsu clearly didn't seen concerned about it. He'd be defeated otherwise and not thinking up a 'next time'. Last edited by QS_Bilal; 2014-08-29 at 20:28. |
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2014-08-30, 04:49 | Link #97 |
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Funny how Naruto says that "now everyone can live happily" considering that most of the alliance army died in the war. So like 9 out of 10 of their friends/family/teammates died. Sure one can be happy later on but i don't think that just after about 95% of every ninja (i guess all capable ninja were recruited in the army) died they'll be very happy.
The ending was abrupt, but at least we saw how the Sage's brother had byakugan, so the story of Kaguya and her sons might be told in another story arc. And that should be about byakugan, since it was overlooked for most of the manga. Bringing back Neji from the dead without the seal would be a nice 1st step towards that. Maybe Sasuke will try mass resurrection with his rinnegan, thinking that such a move can bring him the needed votes at a hokage voting. But then there's the other option that many wait for: Sasuke trying to take the position by overpowering Naruto in some battle. But even then he would gain allies by a mass resurrection. Also Sasuke's dotted rinnegan eye was underwhelming so far, at least one epic jutsu should be done. But if that's done it will probably be powered by Naruto's chakra, a combined resurrection jutsu. |
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The only major issue left, unless Kishi creates another one, is getting everyone out of IT. I imagine whatever Sasuke does, will happen after that, since we badly need to see the other characters after the horrible Kaguya arc. |
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