2008-08-28, 03:10 | Link #81 | |
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2008-08-28, 03:24 | Link #82 |
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What do you mean whack? I think Haineko is quite useful cos it prevents it from being captured by the opponent like if someone like Luppi used his tentacles to take away Haineko, Matsumoto would simply have to call out Haineko's command then use the particles to cut the opponent. I wonder what her bankai would be if she has achieved it though.
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2008-08-28, 06:35 | Link #83 | |
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No one's fault but your own, OD.
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2008-08-28, 07:23 | Link #84 |
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And not considering the anime as manga canon existence is a fault now? Whatever happened to the anime manga delineation that you argue about all the time again?
just wondering though, anyone mind telling me when has kenpachi shown signs of strategy? As in, not that part where he stood there and waited for someone to stab him. As in, real smart strategy. Seen that being said so many times i never got it. About matsumoto, that's probably plot device. Though i must say, i personally never considered the situation in such a light. But it makes alot of sense. Nice points. |
2008-08-28, 11:25 | Link #87 | |
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Anime takes from Manga and not the reverse. The anime just figured it would look like that. Kubo didn't say it does. Lol at your comment Scep. Because of it, I keep picturing Ken-chan as a megame-kun |
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2008-08-28, 13:52 | Link #90 | |
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Ichinose, the Bounto loving shinigami, once challenged Zaraki to a fight. Kenpachi agreed, but only if Ichinose could cut him once. So Ichinose released his shikai, which creates a "rainbow haze" of illusionary swords that cannot be blocked or tracked. Zaraki countered by simply ignoring the sword and cutting Ichinose's hands instead, forcing him to drop the blade. In comparison, Ichigo didn't even attempt such a strategy in his fight against Ichinose later. Another example is Zaraki's fight against Noitorra. When he realized that he couldn't cut Noi's steel skin (with eye-patch on), he decided to target the eyes instead. Zaraki's smart strategies usually aren't hax like Mayuri conveniently placing potions inside Nemu. They're just little things that an experienced fighter does. (Admittedly, two handed ownage was lame. And the maniacal fight enjoyment is slightly insane). Last edited by Amirali; 2008-08-28 at 15:52. |
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2008-08-28, 16:33 | Link #91 | |
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It ain't hard to comprehend people. I know a lot of you don't like Kenpachi but give credit where it is due. Maybe, it's not as much strategy as it is battle smarts, but Kenpachi is not the idiot half of you think he is. He has shown it multiple times. Tousen - Kenpachi used his wits to figure out a strategy to beat his bankai. Nothing was working and Kenpachi had no senses except his touch. So Ken-chan then deduced that he could use his sense of touch to feel when Tousen's sword was nearing him and dodge his strikes. Then he deduced that by letting Tousen hit him he could grab him and attack him. This in effect is how he figured out the secret to Tousen's bankai and beat him easily afterward. If that isn't smarts and strategy, I don't know what is!!! Nnoitra - Once again, Ken-chan had to find a way around the toughest hierro (skin) of the espadas and a way to defeat a six armed monster. As amirali pointed out, Ken-chan then started aiming for the one weak spot on Nnoi, his eyes! Also, when Kenpachi realized that all else was going to fail, he used his two hand kendo technique. Ichinose - Yes, it is anime filler but it still further proves a point that Ken-chan is no dummy. I'm not going to go over what amirali said again but I do want to make another related point. The best part about this was Kenpachi making Ichinose look like a fool by totally dispelling how lame and pointless his whole technique was. Ichinose said that his technique would engulf everything in light and dispel all the shadows in the world. Kenpachi then refuted him by telling him that wherever there is light there will always be shadows, baka!!!!! Kenpachi is awesome. Face Facts!! Last edited by TeNMaN; 2008-08-28 at 17:13. Reason: correcting myself |
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2008-08-29, 04:08 | Link #92 |
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It's doesn't have to be official. It never happens!!! That makes it a fact. The anime established in a filler episode what they perceive the Shikai looks like. Kubo didn't create it. So it is not her true release. It was invented by someone else. It's fact that it isn't her Shikai because it has never been shown in the Manga. It never happend
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2008-08-29, 06:52 | Link #93 | |
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Strategy, is formulating a best battle plan that lets you win but dosen't put yourself at risk. Standing there and waiting for your opponent to attack you without calculating the possibility that he could kill you in one hit -- that is not strategy, seriously. Its called overreliance on plot armor.
And about the two hands? I don't see how someone who lets himself get cut up like mad and then finally decides to use his stronger move is strong in anyway. Same when he happily allows ichigo to attack him without using the said move. Think that proves that he's awesome and GAR? Think again.You can call it the kubo bleach fighting formula, but it just doesn't reflect well on kenpachi's strategy. @Thewanderer: Quote:
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2008-08-29, 07:36 | Link #94 | ||
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The bottom line is, it happened. Whether you or I like it or not. Quote:
If you read the rest of that post, you'll see that the last line totally contradicts everything else. Why the fuck would I say something as pathetic, ignorant, and discriminative as that? Short answer: I wouldn't.
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2008-08-29, 15:31 | Link #95 | |
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It is clear you just don't like Kenpachi. Just accept him for who he is and how he chooses to go about things. Do you want every character in Bleach to think the same way and handle their battles the same way?? |
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2008-08-29, 19:42 | Link #96 |
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What a hell? I came here to see discussion about newest chapter, and I find a discussion about Kenpachi oO.
But I would like to point up some things that you've discussed. First of all, we all know that he has brains in fight with Tousen. If we are about to analyze other man caught in his bankai, most of them would panic? Well who wouldn't? I would myself go berserk and started screaming around like a maniac. But what he did? MothaFocker enjoyed it instead :/. And yes, in state of panic you certainly couldn't think straight, but he did. He found hole in his fuxing bankai. He used his vitality against his hole. He did had thinkig (just remember when he remembers his comrades and their suggestions). Ichinose - He is goddamn lame character with lame personality about all the moral thing (personally, I'm fuxing sick of those kind of people...). Kenpachi actually could manage to make Ichinose snap just with talking (That short monologue is very good) rather than just with fighting. Nnoitra - Them two are the same. Kendo was the only thing that separated them, along with NoiNoi multiple arms... If we conclude that both of them were screwed up physically... So one really powerfull hit could end it (and Kenpachi said that the joking is over because he could srsly die... do you remember what happened when he fought with ichigo?He joked with him all time along.) Scep, please don't be sceptical For a heck of a strategy and tactics, remember that this is SHOUNEN ANIME. I know It's lame, but it's just the way it is. No logic here, gentlemen!
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But back to the topic, meh, you're the only one who thinks its ignorant and discriminative. You think the anime continuity should affect the manga, thats you who is discriminating against the manga reader demographic. Most readers in japan have never seen the anime before. Assuming you can just take from the anime and plonk it into there --> Now thats called being unprofessional. About kenpachi. Tousen:- Sure, he did not panic, and that was a good thing. However, his strategy is flawed, thats what im saying. (i was just reading this sentence again, and does anyone think it kinda rhymes ) The thing is, if tousen wasn't such a total idiot who would stand there blabbering about his justice, he would have cut kenpachi's head off in one hit. Or he would have just hammered kenpachi with kidou. Vitality or not, nothing much matters if that happens, does it? Nnoitra:- I think the vital difference here lies in how he fights. Ichigo's a good example. He didn't place enough priority on winning, and he lost. In fact, he said himself when vs noitora that if it had gone on, he would have died. So like it or not, you can call kenpachi being badass, being a devil, whatever, but you can't really call him a strategist. Quote:
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2008-08-30, 03:53 | Link #98 | |
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And... ME discriminating against the reader demographic? lol, that's like people being intolerant with intolerant people. Of course I'm discriminating against them, because they're the ones who choose this illogical discrimination in the first place. There's nothing moral about it, and it clouds their opinions. It's just blind prejudice, no matter how you look at it. And where's the logic in the last thing you said? Not acknowledging something because most people don't anyway? That's the epitome of ignorance, IMO.
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