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I know that the political leaders don't mind being seen as the devil themselves if it will keep their citizens safe, but they really need to exert moderation. They take things way too far most of the time. lol. |
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2012-07-12, 10:42 | Link #83 |
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They're Americans. Their whole paradigm is that they don't think about what's right or wrong, they do what they need to do to protect their country.
Besides... so long as the BETA don't break through, there's no problem. And if the BETA do break through... nothing like that surprise to really give them the finger. And ironically, the US bought Alaska from the Russians. Now they're leasing it to them, lol.
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I know, right? lol Last edited by Silvance; 2012-07-12 at 11:29. Reason: removed the horrible joke. o/ |
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2012-07-12, 11:25 | Link #85 |
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Such behavior sets up delicious development for roits and anti-American movement. I would not like if somebody intended to bomb my territory and damaged it irreparably even if it were for "greater good".
In the end Americans will be backed to the wall with conflict from every direction. |
2012-07-12, 17:28 | Link #89 |
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They don't really swim, they just rampage along the sea floor . If water deterred them, they wouldn't have be able to invade Japan in the first place. Although I do remember in one of the Day After scenarios, it showed the BETA destroyer and fort-classes directly attacking a aircraft carrier, perhaps they can float if they want to. Remember, the BETA are highly adaptive, and at least one Hive remained active after being blasted into the ocean after Alternative V.
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2012-07-12, 17:34 | Link #90 |
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All they just need is a chapter of Space Marines.
But seriously Alternative V looks like a complete pothead move on a level of hysteric housewife. The consequences are too dire. It is 100% dead end. How did they even justify it? I would except it from Russian "shoot first, think later". |
2012-07-12, 17:43 | Link #91 | |
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2012-07-12, 22:45 | Link #96 | |
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2012-07-12, 23:50 | Link #97 | |
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In fact, all things considered, I'm of the opinion that the F-22 was a prudent choice, assholish as it may have been, because as Day After showed, it was absolutely necessary. Hell, don't forget the coup! Yes, the YF-23 may have been better at fighting BETA, but the Americans, crazy prepared as they try to be, anticipated that at some point there would be TSFs fighting against each other and wanted that little edge. Also, it's worth noting that the Americans didn't shoot first, but the French-Canadians. tl;dr: Everyone had some form of anti-TSF combat planning or training going on; it was only that the Americans were bluntly honest enough - or just didn't give a fuck - in making a surface superiority TSF God Mode Sue, and were able to field it in decent numbers (several battalions) compared to, say, the Shiranui, which mostly went to aces. Again, as I've said before, it's kinda an American mindset. To quote a song I heard once, "You don't care about what's right or what's wrong, you do what you gotta do to defend your own."
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2012-07-13, 00:09 | Link #98 | |
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That is to say, it's not so much that they're more interested in fighting BETA, as it is that they're taking into consideration both the need to fight the BETA now as well as the possibility of the threat of other humans once the BETA are gone, and the YF-22 fit both these requirements while the YF-23 went a bit off the rails in trying to do too many new things. If I remember correctly the US Marines do still pull their weight with frequent anti-BETA ops in the European/Taiwan areas alongside Euro/Warsaw/Soviet etc. forces, so it's not as though they're just sitting back and letting everyone else do the work with their exported TSFs. Last edited by DoomRavager; 2012-07-13 at 00:31. |
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2012-07-13, 00:21 | Link #99 |
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Oh, I completely agree - I was just pointing out that for all the claims of "DURR HURR US ARE BAD GUYS", the Americans are being quite pragmatic. Note that most of the Americans encountered in the game tend to be upstanding, decent people, particularly Al Walker, who shits freedom and bald eagles.
Also, the US is incredibly involved all over the world, it's just that there's so much BETA, what good they can do is quickly swallowed up. Heck, look at TE ep 2: Kyoto is falling, the final defensive line is broken, the IJN is resorting to naval gunfire missions danger close, practically on top of the few Japanese forces that aren't eaten up, the situation is obviously hopeless... and then the Theodore Roosevelt launches her Tomcats to do whatever they can, because they're allies, and that's what allies do. "Their devotion to duty is admirable," murmurs the IJN Admiral, even though he knows it's all pointless. All things considered, as a whole, Muv-Luv has one of the kinder portrayals of Americans: pragmatists who will shoot the dog if they have to - but at the same time, decent people who try their best to do the right thing.
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2012-07-13, 00:29 | Link #100 |
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I have always been of the opinion that the F-22 development was planned in relation to Alternative V having taken placed. They probably predicted that the aftermath would not make other nations that survived very happy neighbors. So they created their own ace in the hole. Whether as a deterrence or a show of force or both is possible.
I must also say that I do find the expense and space used on the TSF frame for stealth capabilities against other TSFs could have been better used on Anti-BETA detection / armor capacity. I would assume that post MLA alternative IV, they would be heavily criticized for that policy. I agree with this point. Even if the commanders are concerned with the politics of the situation, the pilot on the ground only cares for getting shit done. |
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