2019-09-21, 00:04 | Link #81 |
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I recall a seizure of some small explosives early in the demonstrations. At the time it looked more like a PR stunt than a real threat, but I began to wonder if there might be few bigger ones hidden away in dark recesses of Hong Kong. Weapons and explosives are pretty easily to move around these days even, I'd imagine, into Hong Kong.
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2019-09-25, 20:48 | Link #83 |
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Two things happened in HK:
---- Leg Co is considering an anti-mask law to make it illegal since the protestors are using it to hide their faces. Protest groups are condemning it since they face unjust treatment from the HKPF. Washington has made the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act official and it passed since both parties support it.
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2019-09-26, 08:30 | Link #84 |
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Well, no, the Act was passed out of committee in both chambers but still requires floor votes. Then the bill will go to a conference committee where any differences between the House and Senate wordings are worked out. Then the revised bill will again be subject to floor votes.
And, of course, it would need to be signed into law by President Trump. Given the revelations of the Ukraine crisis, we might expect Trump to try and use signing the bill as leverage against Xi. Good coverage by the South China Morning Post here: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...-and-democracy
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2019-09-29, 20:28 | Link #85 | |
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The said officer involved in using a shotgun to deter protestors has been quoted to contemplate the decision of at least putting his kids in Shenzhen due to being doxxed and harrassed.
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2019-10-02, 16:25 | Link #87 |
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No one talking about HKPF officers pointing guns at protesters and then one shooting at a teenager from point blank? There is a good reason why riot squads DO NOT draw firearms when their job is to deal with close quarters confrontations. The cop had a helmet, eye protection, a ballistic vest, a shield, a full special suit, and God knows what else to prevent severe injuries. And yet he shot on the teenager (armed with only a pipe) in the chest with a revolver. Seriously, the pig in uniform is a fucking idiot.
As a result, more protests have come up in the aftermath of that shit from the HKPF. Hong Kong: thousands protest over police shooting of teenager The fucker should feel lucky that the teenager didn't die from that wound, but no one here should kid oneself here. From the moment civilians will die, I will not shed a single tear when police officers will taste the same treatment by the angry people. Any police officer who is not fit to uphold the motto "To protect and serve the citizen" deserves to be fed to the wolves. Last edited by Toukairin; 2019-10-02 at 16:55. |
2019-10-03, 09:52 | Link #88 |
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The individual is now facing charges of assault against an officer. Meanwhile, the Emergency Regulations Ordinance was invoked, banning face masks, and Apple has removed HKmap Live from the App Store.
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edit: I have not seen HK cops using tasers at all since since this whole thing started. How do you explain that? Last edited by Toukairin; 2019-10-03 at 14:45. |
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2019-10-03, 14:07 | Link #92 |
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Tasers are actually counted as unreliable because of their mode of operation and effective range (per an NPR article dated June 2019); they’re better at around 2 meters than say, half a meter. Next, had the rioter been left unchecked, other rioters would also swarm the officer and likely have inflicted serious injuries. My original question remains unanswered, and for reference, police have shot folks in my area for wielding a weapon – back in August, a person armed with a baseball bat was shot after making threats and not standing down, and in June, a woman who discharged pepper spray at an officer was killed. By comparison, law enforcement in Hong Kong have been remarkably disciplined: the fact that no one has been killed speaks to this discipline.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but it sounds like you’re looking at the law enforcement in Hong Kong to just lie down and let rioters continue to vandalise, destroy and even kill at will. The original issue is lost to the violence, and I should make clear that while I am against the extradition bill that started this, dissatisfaction with the bill does not justify destructive acts and violence. There’s a difference between opposing the bill and openly suggesting the rioters should be allowed to conduct arson and murder without consequence.
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2019-10-03, 15:04 | Link #93 | |
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This goes both ways. The police are the enforcing arm of the Chinese government which includes the bill as well. It is highly hypocritical to be against the bill while indirectly praising the police for their disciplined violence.
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2019-10-04, 20:13 | Link #100 |
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Welp.
Emergency law is enacted to prevent people from using masks to hide the face, whether it’s a lawful protest or not. MTR and other transport services are being restricted. My app mentions that all lines are closed. Read a story of someone being shot at Yuen Long by an off-duty officer in a non-HKPF car. Gotta look for the article again.
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