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They did. They used up quite a bit of the worlds stockpile of nukes on the moon, so when the war moved to earth, they cut their losses and transferred everything back down to earth, saving the nukes for clearing BETA in the open, since it does not seem to work on Hives once pass a certain size (works on newly landed ones though). However with the presence of laser class 19 days after the first landing, nukes have become a very expensive option, so not many missile based ones are used. Even obital dropped ones have a low percentage of hit, and even lower chance of doing damage to a Hive.
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2013-01-05, 12:15 | Link #91 |
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Out of curiosity, where is that mentioned? In Integral Works?
I thought that Lunar Campaign was that kind of conventional screw-up, because humanity had no idea of what it was doing. I always assumed that the reason no one used nukes when BETA reached Earth was because no-one wanted to blow their own country up (Soviets and Chinese, who until too late believed BETAs could be beaten conventionally), and after that many nukes were wasted on Lasers and delaying actions a la scorched earth.
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To win a Total War, you must attack a beligerent's ability to sustain that war. You have to go after the enemy's economy in order to win; or else, you get whittled down by attrition. And seeing the nature of this enemy... this is similar to many other "species" in other series. Relentless. Numerous. And having complete disregard towards individual life, for the sake of the species. This is a War of Annihilation; do or die.
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2013-01-16, 03:35 | Link #95 | |
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And the economy on their concern -- the BETAs ability to eat and reproduce. Deny that, the war is won. So... Spoiler:
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2013-01-16, 12:47 | Link #96 |
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The problem with the BETA is that they don't rely on conventional logistics in same manner as humans do. Their Hives are the only command and control units, as well as their only points of resupply. You'd need to destroy a hive, and nothing can easily do that except for G-Bomb bombardment or continuous Ion Cannon barrage.
Also, BETAs can replace their numbers much, much faster than humans do, in addition to having an even greater numerical superiority. The whole point of Alternative Plans is that the conventional human strategies (including the concept of Total War) have largely failed. Spoiler for For nature of BETA:
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2013-01-17, 04:52 | Link #97 | |
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Just hope, humanity never encounter such an enemy in real life. I don't see Total War as a form of conventional war though. Instead, the tactics and strategies used to implement Total War have not worked in this series. Now that I'm at Eps 16 with this comment -- every effort seen so far looks to be half-assed.
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2013-01-17, 16:12 | Link #98 |
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I call it "conventional" in the sense that it was something thought of during conflicts with humans; and BETA do not always conform to human thinking.
Arguably by this point of the series the world had suffered casualties to the point that Total War mindset is actually a set back. Given the serious misbalance between males and females (or at least the implication of thereof) human population is close to collapse. Sending out everyone into battle is actually counter-productive, since grunts killed could have been technicians, farmers etc. that are required for a society to survive. Even if the countries like Japan haven't *quite* reached this point yet, given their attrition they're very well on their way to defeat. And honestly, all major offensives in Muv-Luv verse tend to fail. Palaiogolos (Jesus, couldn't they have picked an easier code-name?) was quite possibly the biggest military operation in world's history, given that entire USSR and NATO threw everything they had at a single Hive. It failed spectacularly, although in no small part due to Soviet command being...well...Soviet command. Sadogashima Hive Battle itself was likewise a huge cluster****, and would have been a complete failure had not specific events happened when they did. Another point is that technically only a unified state can effectively wage "total war" on anything, and even then it would have to do so with iron hand (there's a reason why Chekha ran rampart during Russian Civil War). The U.N lacks both the political and military power to do so, unless all of world's governments were CHOMPed to the head overnight. Spoiler for For G-Bombs and Ion Cannons:
TL;DR: There is no easy way with which to defeat the BETA. None. Terrans at least had Battlecruisers, and Hive leaders like Kerrigan or Overmind can be killed. However, BETA operations cannot be fully stopped unless every single gets killed or runs out of energy. I suppose, it's the beauty of bleak setting.
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2013-03-31, 15:19 | Link #99 |
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So can a newbie like me watch Total Eclipse even though I'm not familiar with the Muv Luv franchise at the slightest bit? Or was this anime made assuming you've played the visual novels, like Fate Zero?
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2013-03-31, 18:48 | Link #100 |
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Generally Total Eclipse is standalone enough that you can watch it without prior knowledge of the maun games, since chronologically Total Eclipse endsvwhen Unlimited and Alternative begin. Therevare continuity nods to mainline Muv-Luv, but nothing like Macross Frontiers orgy of references.
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