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synaesthetic · 2011-02-08, 16:45

Evan Stone, the Jack Thompson of file-sharing.

Edit: Stone is a moron, because no actual hackers (of either color), network security experts or cryptographers would even give a shit about a shitty pile of shit like OP, nor would they get caught even if they did.

I wonder how many parents of twelve-year-old boys are in that mass of 1,337 downloaders?

ChainLegacy · 2011-02-08, 16:46

I already respect this guy 1000x more than Jack Thompson, but funny comparison anyways lol. Wonder whatever happened to good old Jack, he disappeared from the media spotlight years ago.

synaesthetic · 2011-02-08, 16:50

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Originally Posted by ChainLegacy

I already respect this guy 1000x more than Jack Thompson, but funny comparison anyways lol. Wonder whatever happened to good old Jack, he disappeared from the media spotlight years ago.

He was disbarred for being a crazy loon.

Vexx · 2011-02-08, 21:54

Stone is a bit smarter... but I think his ego might end up being his downfall when that part of the real hacker net decides he is fun to play with.

Marcus H. · 2011-02-08, 22:14

I'd like a video of Evan Stone's computer erupting in flames after an attack from those he was taunting. Just for the lulz.

On a serious note, I don't know what Evan has on his mind when he decides to be the white knight of the webspace. I really don't see the point, especially since 1337 is just a miniscule amount compared to the sheer number of users on the Internet. I doubt he is just making a point judging from the amount of experience he has in shutting down p2p users.

I agree with what Vexx's warning. The more he tries to become the Green Hornet, the more Bloodnofskis he will encounter.

bayoab · 2011-02-09, 00:51

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

On a serious note, I don't know what Evan has on his mind when he decides to be the white knight of the webspace. I really don't see the point, especially since 1337 is just a miniscule amount compared to the sheer number of users on the Internet.

It's still 5% of the number of users on that torrent and who knows what percentage of US IPs on the torrent.

And the point is to make the users go to the legal version. Use the torrent? Risk getting sued. Watch it on hulu? No lawsuit.

The more interesting question is, when the amount on the hook is probably ~$500 after fees and what not, what kind of odd settlement are they going to go for? Buy all the One Piece DVDs, sign this form, and pay the attorneys fees and we drop the suit?

synaesthetic · 2011-02-09, 00:56

I just wonder how many of those 1,337 "users" are actually coffee shop wifi connections with big fat no-liability clauses...

That's how I get all my BayTSP monitored series, I go to Starbuck's and download it!

I'll never see a DMCA letter that way.

ashesatdusk · 2011-02-09, 05:39

what I'm most curious about is why did they chose 1337. It seems like a sick joke.

Nightbat® · 2011-02-09, 12:41

If I invent a product, invest millions to manufacture, get safetyapproval, distribute and advertise

...then after 20 years, everybody is allowed to copy it

unless it's a song or a video, then it's mine for life (and my family's till 70 years after my death)
or if Its my company, I hold exclusive rights for 95-120 years

Someone see something wrong here?

Kaijo · 2011-02-09, 12:45

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Originally Posted by ashesatdusk

what I'm most curious about is why did they chose 1337. It seems like a sick joke.

I thought it was obvious. Think about it... 1337 is leet, and they are suing "pirates" over pirating a show about... pirates. Leet pirates.

Funimation has to show that it is doing something to protect Japanese business interests, but they don't want to alienate their fans, either. So they pick a subtle signal that says they understand piracy completely and they appreciate their pirating fans. It's a signal that the Japanese companies won't pick up on, and still gives Funimation plausible deniability if confronted.

And the Japanese companies smile and nod and say, "good job!" while letting Funimation resume their standard practices. I highly doubt any of those 1,337 lawsuits will ever go to court, or even be followed up on.

keri · 2011-02-09, 16:52

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Originally Posted by Kaijo

I thought it was obvious. Think about it... 1337 is leet, and they are suing "pirates" over pirating a show about... pirates. Leet pirates.

Funimation has to show that it is doing something to protect Japanese business interests, but they don't want to alienate their fans, either. So they pick a subtle signal that says they understand piracy completely and they appreciate their pirating fans. It's a signal that the Japanese companies won't pick up on, and still gives Funimation plausible deniability if confronted.

And the Japanese companies smile and nod and say, "good job!" while letting Funimation resume their standard practices. I highly doubt any of those 1,337 lawsuits will ever go to court, or even be followed up on.

Except that in the article linked a few posts up, the Stone says he chose 1337 to show that he knows how Internet rolls, and it wasn't a Funimation choice (or, he suggested it to them, or something).

synaesthetic · 2011-02-09, 19:28

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Originally Posted by Nightbat®

If I invent a product, invest millions to manufacture, get safetyapproval, distribute and advertise

...then after 20 years, everybody is allowed to copy it

unless it's a song or a video, then it's mine for life (and my family's till 70 years after my death)
or if Its my company, I hold exclusive rights for 95-120 years

Someone see something wrong here?

I've been saying this for years. Used to be, a copyright was good for 14 years (less than the 20 years of a patent) with a possible (but unlikely in most cases) extension of an additional 14 years.

We need to go back to that model. The current model stifles innovation and ensures every goddamned game and movie that comes out has a number in the title.

Spectacular_Insanity · 2011-02-10, 04:09

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Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

Funimation is asking for $150,000 in total damages from 1,337 people. You do the math. It's a slap on the wrist with the intention of discouraging them from further infringement.

Wouldn't that actually COST Funimation money, due to the legal fees from suing 1337 (lol @ this number) people?

Triple_R · 2011-02-10, 14:26

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Originally Posted by Spectacular_Insanity

Wouldn't that actually COST Funimation money, due to the legal fees from suing 1337 (lol @ this number) people?

I doubt this actually goes to court.

Funimation might be hoping that some of the people sued simply cave and give them the money, without thinking things through. Those that don't cave will probably be left alone.

Blanchimont · 2011-02-12, 06:16

Wonder if this will also affect Funimation's case;
Public Citizen & EFF File For Sanctions Against Anti-P2P Lawyer Evan Stone (TechDirt)

Simon · 2011-02-12, 08:18

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Originally Posted by Blanchimont

Wonder if this will also affect Funimation's case;
Public Citizen & EFF File For Sanctions Against Anti-P2P Lawyer Evan Stone (TechDirt)

Well things aren't looking too good for his counterparts across the pond...

Also, lol @ "The anti-P2P lawyer (not the porn actor)" - perhaps the EFF could fund the lawsuit by selling "I got screwed by Evan Stone" T-shirts.

Vexx · 2011-02-12, 13:54

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Originally Posted by Blanchimont

Wonder if this will also affect Funimation's case;
Public Citizen & EFF File For Sanctions Against Anti-P2P Lawyer Evan Stone (TechDirt)

The very fast answer is its dead in the barn now, assuming Funi reads the newspapers (certainly Stone won't be telling them this). Funi just wasted good money...

Quarkboy · 2011-02-13, 14:37

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Originally Posted by Vexx

The very fast answer is its dead in the barn now, assuming Funi reads the newspapers (certainly Stone won't be telling them this). Funi just wasted good money...

I can only hope that they paid him very little up front.
He probably half volunteered (for a decent chunk of any settlements, of course), since it's more publicity for him, and that's clearly the idiot's aim.
Plus I don't think Funi would be foolish enough to waste money suing 1337 downloaders.

Poetic Justice · 2011-02-13, 17:08

Evan Stone needs to be introduced to 4chan...

bayoab · 2011-02-16, 19:03

Now this is actually very likely dead:
Texas chainsaw massacre: senior judge "severs" most P2P lawsuits

Can't say I agree with the judges ruling at all though as it's hard to argue that a bittorrent swarm is not working together.
(The issue is in the fine details for what is required for people to be "working together" for a crime if anyone is curious about why it isn't.)

2011-02-08, 16:45	Link #81
synaesthetic blinded by blood Author Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Oakland, CA Age: 40	Evan Stone, the Jack Thompson of file-sharing. Edit: Stone is a moron, because no actual hackers (of either color), network security experts or cryptographers would even give a shit about a shitty pile of shit like OP, nor would they get caught even if they did. I wonder how many parents of twelve-year-old boys are in that mass of 1,337 downloaders? __________________ Indie science fiction author and all-around weirdo: Check out my original fiction here! Read an excerpt from my sci-fi novel Binary System!

2011-02-08, 21:54	Link #84
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Stone is a bit smarter... but I think his ego might end up being his downfall when that part of the real hacker net decides he is fun to play with. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2011-02-08, 22:14	Link #85
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	I'd like a video of Evan Stone's computer erupting in flames after an attack from those he was taunting. Just for the lulz. On a serious note, I don't know what Evan has on his mind when he decides to be the white knight of the webspace. I really don't see the point, especially since 1337 is just a miniscule amount compared to the sheer number of users on the Internet. I doubt he is just making a point judging from the amount of experience he has in shutting down p2p users. I agree with what Vexx's warning. The more he tries to become the Green Hornet, the more Bloodnofskis he will encounter. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2011-02-09, 00:56	Link #87
synaesthetic blinded by blood Author Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Oakland, CA Age: 40	I just wonder how many of those 1,337 "users" are actually coffee shop wifi connections with big fat no-liability clauses... That's how I get all my BayTSP monitored series, I go to Starbuck's and download it! I'll never see a DMCA letter that way. __________________ Indie science fiction author and all-around weirdo: Check out my original fiction here! Read an excerpt from my sci-fi novel Binary System!

2011-02-09, 05:39	Link #88
ashesatdusk Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: La La Land	what I'm most curious about is why did they chose 1337. It seems like a sick joke. __________________ Sig never posted, because the mods would remove it for exceeding the size limit.

2011-02-08, 16:46	Link #82
ChainLegacy 廉頗 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Massachusetts Age: 34	I already respect this guy 1000x more than Jack Thompson, but funny comparison anyways lol. Wonder whatever happened to good old Jack, he disappeared from the media spotlight years ago.

2011-02-09, 12:41	Link #89
Nightbat® Deadpan Snarker Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Neverlands Age: 46	If I invent a product, invest millions to manufacture, get safetyapproval, distribute and advertise ...then after 20 years, everybody is allowed to copy it unless it's a song or a video, then it's mine for life (and my family's till 70 years after my death) or if Its my company, I hold exclusive rights for 95-120 years Someone see something wrong here? __________________

2011-02-12, 06:16	Link #95
Blanchimont Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The wonderful country of Finland^^	Wonder if this will also affect Funimation's case; Public Citizen & EFF File For Sanctions Against Anti-P2P Lawyer Evan Stone (TechDirt)

2011-02-13, 17:08	Link #99
Poetic Justice 100Shots100Hits LuluLaLu Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Inside your heart... Age: 35	Evan Stone needs to be introduced to 4chan... __________________

2011-02-16, 19:03	Link #100
bayoab Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	Now this is actually very likely dead: Texas chainsaw massacre: senior judge "severs" most P2P lawsuits Can't say I agree with the judges ruling at all though as it's hard to argue that a bittorrent swarm is not working together. (The issue is in the fine details for what is required for people to be "working together" for a crime if anyone is curious about why it isn't.)