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Is anyone else at least going to acknowledge that some porn is written for men, and some for women? The oft-repeated point that women also like porn/have a sex drive doesn't do anything to justify this series in itself.
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Like one of the vice-presidents at work who recently acquired a lesbian bimbo(duck lips and huge fake breasts and the whole package) trophy wife. And she has been showing her off ever since like a kid with a new toy so she would be in the bimbo story target audience even if they are usually considered male. |
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![]() ------ Gotta say that it's hilarious reading all of the comments from people jumping to conclusions about the characters or overthinking things that don't matter, keep it up you guys. ![]()
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There are MEN who watches SAILOR MOON. Lets not get started on My Little Pony. And 2B from Nier Automata enjoyed a lot of female fans AND cosplayers, because they actually loved having a strong and sexy female protagonist.
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Which does nothing at all to justify sex-slave male-serving porn cosplay. There are plenty of strong, sexy and scantily clad women to cosplay, as you say; Ohno cosplayed such characters happily without ever supporting the lie that porn which degrades women for male pleasure is anything girls should be alright with.
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I always acknowledged it, just didn't know what's the point considering Marin playing eroge is narrative design to sell idea of sex slave.
That kind of things didn't need Marin words to found consumer. Besides, as someone who once helping a cosplay team that I consider very supportive when it comes to otaku knowledge, let me tell you that in 90's good, challenging costume owned by character with strong personality lies on such depth of abyss. Many 90's cool gothic lolita design existed in stories about, well: sex slave, gore, rapes or simply 'monsters' following appeal of fantasy setting. It took Rozen Maiden, a 2002 manga, to allow gothic lolita truly get out of that boundary. I do have experience of: "Wow, this character costume looks cool, can we do this for free character?" "First things first do you even know what series that character come from?" "No? Why?" "It come from eroge focused on rape, by multiple individuals" Its not like well-designed gothic lolita is something common to design for a series; Not even in current fad of Isekai anime, so for me its sign that the writer really doing the research. Marin act for me is totally understandable, she mentioned the game is considered kami-ge even supporting her point. That character is popular within community and she can understand the appeal, she consider it a good challenge, so she's set on doing it being straightforward she is. What's the problem with that? Cosplayer looking to challenge themselves for a role is not something new. Not everyone content and satisfied just by doing Deku or Saitama costume. She's gyaru, depiction of popular and social girl, it doesn't make sense! It have to be socially inept girl! Why so? I met several socially popular girls during that time I'd like to say I can't believe my eyes either to learn they're cosplayer. It strikes my heart as a teenager when one of them sang Butterfly (Digimon OP) after competition just because its her favorite anisong. ![]()
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Regarding if Marin is a unicorn...confidence, openness, and forwardness are attractive. These people do exist. Not every anime heroine has to be meek, shy, and need protecting like Komi Shouko (an archetype that is very boring to me). Nagatoro is popular for much of the same reasons that Marin is.
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It counters Wakana's childhood trauma of being told that his interests are weird, creepy, and wrong for a boy (a relatable notion for anime fans or even figure collectors and what pushes the initial emotional core of the series to audiences). That led to his own social isolation because he was afraid to talk about what he enjoys and love. Marin is the contrast to this point. She's popular, beautiful, desired, and has many friends. She experiences normal life as a gyaru. But as we saw her draw out on the chalkboard, she's very open about her love for anime. Marin gets three introductions in the first episode. The manic-pixie flying through the air that doesn't make any sense and we can discard, the story she tells her friends that Wakana overhears where she very bluntly delivers the message from the author that, "You just don't go making fun of things people clearly like," being a huge turnoff for her when the guy at the hair salon was negging her to try to pick her up, and that her true desire is to be a cosplayer. It emphasizes her point and the author's message by having her true fan love be a raunchy, humiliation-and-sex-slave misogynistic eroge. It's the last thing you'd expect a gyaru like Marin to love, including her absolutely serious explanation of the content of the game. It is also so off-putting that a person's initial reaction will challenge the viewers and Wakana with an opportunity to face the very disgust that he received for liking everything there is about hina dolls. Marin tells him that his interests are perfectly fine to have. How can he not return the favor, even with her main love being in a franchise like that? |
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Versailles no Bara was targeted at teenage girls, but instead enjoy a fair share of fans who are much older men who watched it for the period drama. Cutey Honey was targeted at males, but surprisingly have a lot of female fans. And then you have Berserk... Infamous for having graphic sexual violence targeted at women. However, this did NOT stop women from loving the shit out of Berserk. And don't get me started at even more infamous Redo of Healer, I objectively think this show is edgy teenager trash and best watched with alcohol and drowning it out under Black Metal, just to drive the edginess home. But color me surprised when I learned that it's actually liked by women. You CANNOT predict which demography will love a given work. Marin just so happen to be a periphery demography of the eroge she's fan of. It only make YOU uncomfortable because of the slavery tropes. It's just fiction, man. It didnt cause people to be enslaved in real life, it didnt make people wish they could bring back slavery, just relax and breath. Last edited by Sheba; 2022-01-20 at 04:56. |
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Comparing Marin to an African-American? Seriously? Did you just use the Slippery Slope fallacy? It's no use to discuss with someone who, at this point and place, is acting like a Kotaku journalist and clearly looking at this show through the lens of a self_righteous American.
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You should be able to see why women wouldn't usually want to watch male-targeted pornography that's devoted to degrading and humiliating women. I've said that I don't care what porn real people watch; this show dishonestly and unrepresentatively presents a female fan of degrading anti-female media, to make money out of thus excusing such media for its male users, and pretending it's less offensive than it is. The racism metaphor is spot on unless you don't think that societal misogyny exists, or similar. I hoped it would convey a correct understanding of the situation clearly. |
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