High School DxD [LN/M] - Discussion about Other Topics

[saucerKing]

Originally Posted by godz

Guys, does anyone remember what volume Azazel declared that when Kokabiel attacked Kuoh was so strong that no matter how much boost Issei was, Issei was unable to defeat him? is to give me a measure of the level of mirana.

it was volume 4 if i remember it right, still i would take that statement whit a grain of salt considering what happens exactly that same volume.

[Marvix]

Do you guys think... a Seven Great Seraphs system will be created?
Irina, Dulio, Griselda and Lint are the only known angels who could become seraphim. Gabriel would keep her position though leadership would be passed to Dulio if he is promoted as he would take Michael's place.

[godz]

i'm still waiting if mastema and azrael exist in dxd.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Marvix

Do you guys think... a Seven Great Seraphs system will be created?
Irina, Dulio, Griselda and Lint are the only known angels who could become seraphim. Gabriel would keep her position though leadership would be passed to Dulio if he is promoted as he would take Michael's place.

There's also Nero, Milana, Deethelm, and Kiyotora. Plus all four of them are WAY more relevant than Irina.

[Marvix]

None of those people are important lol

[saucerKing]

weren't metatron and sandalphon still around? i imagine they would be more qualified than irina or lint, if anything griselda should be a seraph more than those two

[Marvix]

New generation angels need to take over, not old.
Griselda isn't more qualified.

[Giuseppe1234]

Originally Posted by Marvix

New generation angels need to take over, not old.
Griselda isn't more qualified.

How Irina is qualified? Griselda was one of the strongest female exorcist, queen of Gabriel and supervisor of an area. She was even the representative for the heaven during the meet with the Vampires. Showing clearly that even to be a reincarnated Angel, is more important than others, especially Irina.

On the other hand what can show Irina?

[Marvix]

She's a heroine. Anything you say means nothing with that fact. Plus Irina outranks Griselda so by fact, Irina is more qualified.

[Giuseppe1234]

Originally Posted by Marvix

She's a heroine. Anything you say means nothing with that fact. Plus Irina outranks Griselda so by fact, Irina is more qualified.

Where? We do not know the rank of Griselda. There is a reason if she is a supervisor and ambassador.

Anything you say do not mean nothing when Irina is inferior in everything than Griselda. Show what Irina has done or how is more important. Be a heroine is not even relevant and I do not even know when she is called in that way.

[saucerKing]

Originally Posted by Marvix

She's a heroine. Anything you say means nothing with that fact. Plus Irina outranks Griselda so by fact, Irina is more qualified.

rossweisse is a heroine, lets put her in charge of asgard, also lets put le fay as leader of golden dawn and ravel take over the asmodeus position since she is a heroine! no, being an heroine does not make her qualified and putting her there whit that excuse would be bullshit. source of irina outranking griselda? we dont know griselda rank, and irina is not more qualified at all

she has no experience leading unlike griselda, only battle experience.

[godz]

irina is not qualified for such an important rank, she is too weak and her character is too dependent on xenovia ... irina is for xenovia as saji is for issei, also if we use the logic of being a heroine, saji that being part of the male harem de issei should be a candidate for maou.

[Lucidrago]

@Marvix Just to remind you there are 10 Seraphs(well there were) that lead Heaven.

And we really aren't tuned into the politics of Heaven so there really seems to be no good reason to do something like that. Especially considering that there are still 7 Seraphs remaining.

[Marvix]

Originally Posted by saucerKing

rossweisse is a heroine, lets put her in charge of asgard, also lets put le fay as leader of golden dawn and ravel take over the asmodeus position since she is a heroine! no, being an heroine does not make her qualified and putting her there whit that excuse would be bullshit. source of irina outranking griselda? we dont know griselda rank, and irina is not more qualified at all

she has no experience leading unlike griselda, only battle experience.

My source is the very fact Griselda has not been said to be an ultimate class angel. Unless it is said then Irina outranks her. Saying she could be is headcanon and really stretching it as Griselda has no feats nor power like Irina that could warrant her having that rank.

On battle experience, that makes her even more qualified. Leadership can be learnt overtime, but no point you being a leader of Heaven if you can't defend it. Issei has no leadership experience that can make him immediately do smart political decisions as a Satan just like Irina if she became a Great Seraph, but I bet you've never argued that about him like you have with her (nor Ajuka, Falbium, Sirzechs and Serafall who had no leadership experience yet became Satans just for their powers etc). Issei is a candidate as a Satan for two reasons: his power and his influence. Irina also has both. Her influence comes from being one of Issei's future wives. By her marriage, as a Great Seraph she would hold importance of being able to request anything of him for Heaven politicallly and popularity of her being his wife would allow her to influence the masses. She's already popular in Heaven and those who know of angels just for being herself. Don't try to refute it as stupid because Issei's influence comes from being known as Oppai Dragon so you wouldn't be making a point.

To you and others ragging on Irina, your points are moot when you didn't so for Lint as well whose in the same boat. You also put Griselda on a high pedestal just for being a manager when in fact Irina is factually more qualified like I said because she has power and influence. EX also hints she maybe becomes a Great Seraph because she becomes so busy she's barely seen for days and only comes home occasionally where she does nothing but sleep. Doesn't sound like ultimate class or regular seraph work. Maybe Irina won't become a Great Seraph nor Griselda whose inferior but the two becoming regular seraphs? Highly likely.

[Giuseppe1234]

Originally Posted by Marvix

My source is the very fact Griselda has not been said to be an ultimate class angel. Unless it is said then Irina outranks her. Saying she could be is headcanon and really stretching it as Griselda has no feats nor power like Irina that could warrant her having that rank.

On battle experience, that makes her even more qualified. Leadership can be learnt overtime, but no point you being a leader of Heaven if you can't defend it. Issei has no leadership experience that can make him immediately do smart political decisions as a Satan just like Irina if she became a Great Seraph, but I bet you've never argued that about him like you have with her (nor Ajuka, Falbium, Sirzechs and Serafall who had no leadership experience yet became Satans just for their powers etc). Issei is a candidate as a Satan for two reasons: his power and his influence. Irina also has both. Her influence comes from being one of Issei's future wives. By her marriage, as a Great Seraph she would hold importance of being able to request anything of him for Heaven politicallly and popularity of her being his wife would allow her to influence the masses. She's already popular in Heaven and those who know of angels just for being herself. Don't try to refute it as stupid because Issei's influence comes from being known as Oppai Dragon so you wouldn't be making a point.

To you and others ragging on Irina, your points are moot when you didn't so for Lint as well whose in the same boat. You also put Griselda on a high pedestal just for being a manager when in fact Irina is factually more qualified like I said because she has power and influence. EX also hints she maybe becomes a Great Seraph because she becomes so busy she's barely seen for days and only comes home occasionally where she does nothing but sleep. Doesn't sound like ultimate class or regular seraph work. Maybe Irina won't become a Great Seraph nor Griselda whose inferior but the two becoming regular seraphs? Highly likely.

Every member of DxD would have received a promotion, so you can not affirm that Irina overpass her. Please, show me the feats or how irina is stronger than Griselda, because itÂ’s an useless character without nothing of important.

Griselda was one of the five strongest female exorcist of the church, reincarnated as Queen, supervisor of a whole Area, something possible only if you have a certain important rank and ambassador to an important meet with another faction that had conflicts with Heaven. Nothing of important, true?

And Irina..? Never mentioned to be one of the strongest exorcist, overpassed by several reincarnated Angels as Nero, Griselda and lint. With an useless holy sword with a power used only one time. Now itÂ’s more relevant only for a promotion to be a member of DxD.
She has never had an important role as Griselda and experience to manage the things.

How irina may defend the Heaven as Seraph when itÂ’s far from that level? No one mentioned issei and Vali because your comparison has not sense. Issei and Vali are super devils, staying at the top of every mythologies in terms of power, competing with the strongest gods of every faction, with an influence among all the mythologies, being able to influence the god class beings. Without count isseiÂ’s achievements and the bloodline of Vali and the adoption from Odin.

Where is the power of Irina? Overpassed than a lot of brave saints, not even near that of a Seraphin. Influence to be a wife of issei? Not even true, otherwise Rias should be for the logic a maou candidate or a special class being king of issei and the legal wife and famous as switch princess. However she does not reach not even half of isseiÂ’s influence, as for the others girls never mentioned to have influence thanks to Issei.

You are overstimating too much Irina only because probably you like her

The influence of issei comes from his achievements, power and results, dragon oppai shows give his more popularity among the children, but now itÂ’s his nickname

[Hakai]

Soon Irina shall be promoted to new God of Christianity.

[Marvix]

Saying Irina is useless is nothing but dislike or lack of care. Weak? Irina is on par with Xenovia. She fought Xenovia to a fucking tie in the Riser vs Rias rematch. And that match happened between V19. Griselda being a Queen and manager doesn't give you any right to say she's so much better than Irina. Also Dulio's team just got 1 time fame. In reality, their existence means fuck all minus Dulio. Griselda being a region leader means she would just fit into a seraph role more smoothly than Irina. That's all. You or anyone can't factually refute my point that one doesn't need leadership experience.

Only Dulio upon reincarnation would be ultimate class. Griselda at most would be high class. Even if Griselda is ultimate class now, well that makes her Irina's equal.

[saucerKing]

Originally Posted by Marvix

My source is the very fact Griselda has not been said to be an ultimate class angel. Unless it is said then Irina outranks her. Saying she could be is headcanon and really stretching it as Griselda has no feats nor power like Irina that could warrant her having that rank.

On battle experience, that makes her even more qualified. Leadership can be learnt overtime, but no point you being a leader of Heaven if you can't defend it. Issei has no leadership experience that can make him immediately do smart political decisions as a Satan just like Irina if she became a Great Seraph, but I bet you've never argued that about him like you have with her (nor Ajuka, Falbium, Sirzechs and Serafall who had no leadership experience yet became Satans just for their powers etc). Issei is a candidate as a Satan for two reasons: his power and his influence. Irina also has both. Her influence comes from being one of Issei's future wives. By her marriage, as a Great Seraph she would hold importance of being able to request anything of him for Heaven politicallly and popularity of her being his wife would allow her to influence the masses. She's already popular in Heaven and those who know of angels just for being herself. Don't try to refute it as stupid because Issei's influence comes from being known as Oppai Dragon so you wouldn't be making a point.

To you and others ragging on Irina, your points are moot when you didn't so for Lint as well whose in the same boat. You also put Griselda on a high pedestal just for being a manager when in fact Irina is factually more qualified like I said because she has power and influence. EX also hints she maybe becomes a Great Seraph because she becomes so busy she's barely seen for days and only comes home occasionally where she does nothing but sleep. Doesn't sound like ultimate class or regular seraph work. Maybe Irina won't become a Great Seraph nor Griselda whose inferior but the two becoming regular seraphs? Highly likely.

what "power" does irina have on her own? literally the only thing that stands out about her in combat is good teamwork whit xenovia which lamentably is not translated to good teamwork whit everyone

no battle experience doesnt make her more qualified for leading, what sort of logic is that? "leading can be learned overtime!" yeah when you have a small position, not when you are one of the top brass of an entire faction, that is not something you can learn once put there because it could lead to a disaster. also need i remind you that a great seraph should be the last one to go the the front? yes they have to be strong but irina is not qualified on that department either since she is not even even maouc-lass.

issei is extremely influential, loved by the masses of multiple mythologies and defeated many gods and has a ton of heroic deeds, irina on the other hand is one of his many wives. they are not nearly equal at all, if not like i said lets make ravel a maou and akeno leader of the himjima, grigori and a maou too! after all she is related to those three factions and is issei wife right? in fact lets give anyone within issei circle of friends a promotion to be leader of their faction!

no, just knowing issei doesn't warrant that much. just being pals whit the president doesn't warrant a seat on the senate

i did in fact mention lint on my first comment

Originally Posted by Marvix

You or anyone can't factually refute my point that one doesn't need leadership experience.

i and many others here probably can, in fact, refute this point. human history refutes your point putting someone whit 0 leading experience on charge is asking for disaster and anyone knows that. griselda at least used to lead people even if a smaller group but what does irina have? some raw power that is not even maou-class? what stands out from her aside of being issei girlfriend?

[Marvix]

Yet Vali and Issei have no political leadership experience (neither do Griselda and Irina) yet are candidates to be Satans. Sirzechs, Serafall, Falbium and Ajuka had no political leadership experience yet became Satans. Ingvild certainly doesn't yet is a Satan candidate too. In DxD, your human history means nothing. In fact, seems like you don't know even in human history, a prince for example who was not studying politics suddenly became King and had to learn them. That's how it is in DxD similarly.

Also Irina can just become satan class so soon if Ishibumi wants. Pointless to argue about her power when anytime in future, she can be given any level of power.

[saucerKing]

Originally Posted by Marvix

Yet Vali and Issei have no political leadership experience (neither do Griselda and Irina) yet are candidates to be Satans. Sirzechs, Serafall, Falbium and Ajuka had no political leadership experience yet became Satans. Ingvild certainly doesn't yet is a Satan candidate too. In DxD, your human history means nothing. In fact, seems like you don't know even in human history, a prince for example who was not studying politics suddenly became King and had to learn them. That's how it is in DxD similarly.

Also Irina can just become satan class so soon if Ishibumi wants. Pointless to argue about her power when anytime in future, she can be given any level of power.

so your whole argument basically boils down to "if the two super-popular gary stus can do it then anyone can"? ishibumi using authorial powers to make a character do anything he pleases is not a valid argument, otherwise i could say mil-tan should be the supreme seraph because ishibumi can do it if he wants

vali and issei have a shit-ton of influence that irina simply doesnt to justify their ascent to that position, ingvild is nearly maou-class if not there already whitout counting her sacred gear and is a descendant of their former leader, sirzechs and co were put there as poster boys only and even then they were war heroes. how does in any way irina measure to any of the aforementioned? what connection does she have whit heaven? what are her grand feats? where is the massive influence? what about her lacking power? she has no qualifications unlike any of the people you mentioned.

also who was this "prince"? and by the way you phrase it the whole thing sounds like a forced succession since probably no one else could, which would be an emergency situation unless heaven which is still standing relatively fine.

if you think its pointless to discuss about DxD because the author does what he wants why are you even in a forum thread about it?