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View Poll Results: Favorite Pairing in Code Geass R2 | |||
Lelouch Stays Single | 141 | 13.51% | |
Lelouch x C.C. | 678 | 64.94% | |
Lelouch x Kallen | 340 | 32.57% | |
Lelouch x Millay | 54 | 5.17% | |
Lelouch x Harem | 121 | 11.59% | |
Suzaku Stays Single | 148 | 14.18% | |
Suzaku x Nunally | 60 | 5.75% | |
Lloyd x Millay | 23 | 2.20% | |
Viletta x Ougi | 179 | 17.15% | |
Rival x Millay | 93 | 8.91% | |
Lloyd x Cecile | 116 | 11.11% | |
Kanon x Nina | 45 | 4.31% | |
Xing-ke x Tianzi | 150 | 14.37% | |
Todou x Chiba | 81 | 7.76% | |
Gino x Anya | 52 | 4.98% | |
Cornelia x Guilford | 142 | 13.60% | |
Zero x Kaguya | 87 | 8.33% | |
Others (please list) | 96 | 9.20% | |
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2008-07-29, 17:14 | Link #1002 | |
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And I'm tired of people who think their opinion = fact. |
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2008-07-29, 17:29 | Link #1003 |
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Hu? Wait... what?
Tsundere- A term used to describe behavior that seems harsh on the outside, but caring on the inside. or a longer version... Tsundere (ツンデレ, Tsundere?) is a Japanese character archetype that describes a conceited, spikey, combative personality that later on turns to being modest and loving. It can also describe a personality that is good-willed, but its attitude and actions often contradict its nature. ~Examples courtesy of Wikipedia: One of the earliest examples of a tsundere is Sayaka Yumi from Mazinger Z, and other well-known examples are Madoka from Kimagure Orange Road, and Kyoko from Maison Ikkoku. While the three are generally kind girls, they are initially resistant to accept romantic overtures and turn cold when the lead male starts showing interest in other girls, and both Sayaka and Madoka are known to become physically aggressive towards the lead males sometimes.Now, please tell me, where any of that applies to what occurred between Suzaku and Kallen. I'll make a list of things to answer:
I'm not sure what your point was when, by definition, even loosely applied, that was not tsundere. |
2008-07-29, 17:31 | Link #1004 |
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Proving your points as false in context to what was shown in the show is not dismissing them. Dismissing them would be ignoring said points and keep reposting the same points despite them being refuted. And considering that you decided not to argue the point farther I respected that and therefore did not respond to your last post on the subject, if you want to bring this up again I'd be more then happy to oblige but I thought you were tired of it. And I wasn't being condescending, merely pointing out the fact that what you post generalizing Kallen fans could be considered as baiting.
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2008-07-29, 17:35 | Link #1005 | |
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2) Keep your Kallen-expert analysis to yourself, I'm not even bothering to argue with you anymore. You are right, I am wrong, go gloat in your basement or something. |
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2008-07-29, 17:40 | Link #1006 | |
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I simply furthered that by defining what tsundere is and showing that it does not fit the scene at all. It wasn't even all that related to Kallen, more so the scene itself. I am already in a basement. |
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2008-07-29, 17:56 | Link #1008 | |
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And that's not really tsundere, unless we call all reactions of surprise tsundere. |
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2008-07-29, 17:59 | Link #1010 | ||
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2008-07-29, 18:11 | Link #1011 | |
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Tsundere takes more than a single scene to establish, and it takes more than a microsecond of reaction to actually be able to say with any certainty what something was other than 'surprise'. Okkham's Razor. A tsundere scene with 'I hate you' would usually entail violence after the words, not before. In this situation, it seem more like a truthful statement then anything. I can't really see, as it stands, Kallen not hating Suzaku. Just as I could not see someone not hating a person who just held a gun to their head with the intent of firing. |
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2008-07-29, 18:15 | Link #1012 | |
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2008-07-29, 18:18 | Link #1013 |
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I can understand annoyance, the only thing, honestly, that I do not understand, is when you said at sometime before that this was somehow positive for a possible relationship. Even if its not hate, there is no positive in there.
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2008-07-29, 18:21 | Link #1014 |
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I never said that ôO The only thing I recall saying about this is something along the lines of "Sorry, that scene did not make me stop thinking the pairing is possible". Or something like that. Never said anything about it being positive
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2008-07-29, 18:24 | Link #1015 |
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Finally being able to express her feelings in an outward fashion at Suzaku rather than harbouring them inside and letting them fester is a good thing for Kallen, and it will result in their intensity diminishing if the show has the characters acting remotely similar to real people. Having such strong feelings but being unable to act only worsens their effect. So I can see how this opens the door for her dislike of Suzaku diminishing, but I don't really see a pairing possibility unless there's some evidence that she already has affectionate feelings for him that will get the opportunity to take over the hate/annoyance's diminished influence. And seeing as I don't think Kallen ever showed having a "thing" for Suzaku, I see that scene as being a "less bad" thing at best.
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2008-07-29, 18:35 | Link #1017 |
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I'm not saying my opinion is fact, it just didn't seem like a tsundere moment, that's all. She has never shown romantic feelings for Suzaku, so when she says she hates him then she does. Until her feelings for Lelouch are resolved, she isn't thinking about no one else romantically until that's done. Though this is my opinion and not a fact. However she can definitely become friends with Suzaku again in time.
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2008-07-29, 18:36 | Link #1018 | |
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As I said pages ago, I couldn't really care less if you think that Kallen and Suzaku is still up in the air in your opinion. I was contesting your points that there were development to justify them as a viable pairing when the show has clearly taken the direction of developing Kallen with Lelouch. |
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2008-07-29, 18:44 | Link #1019 | ||
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And I already said what I thought about the hate statement. You disagree, fine. |
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2008-07-29, 18:53 | Link #1020 | |
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The times when she's blushed around Lelouch have been, mostly, at times of innuendos towards relationships. As an example: When Kallen asks if she is still the leader of the Zero Squad. Lelouch replies yes but that their relationship should be kept a secret. (Or something along those lines, I can hardly remember exact lines.) To which she reacts in a 'tsundere' manner and turns red. That is a reaction with substance that was triggered by Lelouch's words. They made her react because of what she thought, if Lelouch had said the words to someone else they could have considered it a reference to partnership. It is not so much that certain moments are being called defacto proof. But that, the far more numerous moments between Lelouch and Kallen have had form and substance, whereas the one, single moment with Suzaku was rather shallow. But this is, as always, just an opinion. |
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