2009-12-18, 03:27 | Link #1002 |
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I don't want to come off as rude, but I would also ask that you abstain from using red in your theories... there are plenty of people here who will easily look at your (often very faulty) red "truths" and become horribly confused. And other times, you're using your reds as if they're blue. If you're not going to stop using red, which is up to your choice, at least use it properly by presenting actual truths (which should be taken straight from the game, or be at least objectively true) and using blue for theories (which you use red for, erroneously.) But then again, who am I? You're a demon, right? Back on topic... Spoiler for Episode 24, Removed from anime.:
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I said that Asumu is a bitch and that she swapped the kids! THINK ABOUT IT IF YOU HAD A STILL BRON AND YOUR RIVAL A HEALTY BOY AND YOU WANT TO MARRY YOUR LOVE THAN YOU WANT TO SWAP YOUR KID WITH THE OTHER WHATEVER IT TAKES! + ANGE & BATTLER HAVE (ALMOST) THE SAME HAIR&EYE COLOR! .... .... That feels good |
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2009-12-18, 10:04 | Link #1004 |
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I'll tell you this, Witches are good at pulling crap from their butts and calling it a "Red Truth". You're right, I've been using red truths willy-nilly, but you should take it seriously.
So with that said, I would suggest taking my red truths more seriously. I'm not doing to be cocky or offend anybody, its just a way to shorten the thinking process a little. So, I shal start with first truth, There is no possibility of a child swap. Taking that as truth is your choice, but please acknowledge and think about it. Last edited by White Manju Bun; 2009-12-18 at 12:58. |
2009-12-18, 10:18 | Link #1006 | |
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The reason we save the use of Red Text for use with the actual red text used by the game is by agreed convention: in order to facilitate proper discussions and to prevent any sort of cunfusions between game text and user posts, we only use red text in the way they were used because they were concrete and established. You aren't the only one's posting here, everyone else does and in order to keep things flowing and proper and to avoid sidetracking we all use the red as they were used. If you blatantly intend to force your own view on it despite the fact that you're pretty much derailing discussions for everyone else then expect no one to even bother replying to you in any serious manner. The red text is meant for things that are true in their core essence. Interpretable yes, but what they mean in their core is extablished. Whenever red is used everyone else has to double check their own lists and whatnot because for discussions sake we assume the contents are those that speak as the game uses them, as such it makes everyone else pause to make sure and it delays everything else. In short, it's a matter of ettiquete.
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2009-12-18, 10:46 | Link #1007 |
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Okay, I'll try to use blue, but I doubt I'll be able to do it. Here it goes.
Battler does not exist. OKay, let me try that again. Battler does not exist. Dang it. I'll try one more time. Battler does not exist. Yay, I did it. One more time for good luck. Battler does not exist. Dang it, I really can't say it. I'll go away for awhile and practice. Be right back. But, just tell you something. I'm a jester, a Demon of Entertainment, telling me about ettiquette is like telling a wall how to walk. But I'll try anyways. |
2009-12-18, 10:50 | Link #1008 |
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Ya know, I hate to interrupt, but the guy is probably a troll. I'm getting the feeling that his posts are meant to just tick people off rather than provide suitable discussion.
To make my post not completely out-of-topic, I'm still praying that episode 26 will come out satisfactory despite the lack of time.
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2009-12-18, 11:10 | Link #1009 |
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Okay, okay, okay, okay, I'll stop using red! Sheesh.... Okay, I have two questions: What if there is no possibility of a child swap? What if Battler was born to one parent and never was switched? With these questions in mind, I believe that Battler does not exist and instead was created by Beatrice to partake in her game.
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2009-12-18, 11:46 | Link #1010 | |
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Now be content with your theory and see how it turns out. Except the fact that there are people outside of the board who seem to have knowledge of Battler...so I would ask, how can Ushiromiya Ange have knowledge about a brother who was only created during the time of the gameboard?
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2009-12-18, 11:59 | Link #1011 | |
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2009-12-18, 14:06 | Link #1012 | |
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2009-12-18, 15:54 | Link #1013 |
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Going on with your possibility of Beatrice creating Battler (at an unknown time and unknown date), it should thus follow that Beatrice is capable of creating people at her will and leisure. If that is so, then why would Beatrice take such a roundabout route to find a 'playmate'? If Battler is truly a creation of Beatrice, I believe that she would find no more enjoyment out of it than she does interacting with her already-magical 'family'. It would also render Beatrice's argument useless regarding the "denial of Ushiromiya Battler". In essence, it would also be akin to Maria and Sakutaro's relationship.
Lambdadelta and Bernkastel are an audience to the game because it is, in its truest form, a game. I highly doubt they would find it as interesting if Battler was simply a creation of Beatrice's. There is no game without loss, just as there is no game without competitors. A few questions to ponder about with your theory: If 'our' Battler is a magical being, how is he widely acknowledged as having a background and history in the Ushiromiya family? Beatrice told Battler that "six years ago, Battler and Beatrice had not yet met." (It goes further in the VN when she says she had not yet 'materialized'... whatever that means.) Which makes the time frame for Battler's creation much, much smaller. For your theory to be completely plausible, you would also need to know when Beatrice DID materialize. Although she presumably only met Battler during/"after" the two days at the family conference of 1986. Thank you for taking our requests into consideration, I hope you'll continue to partake in levelheaded discussion with us. |
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[QUOTE=DizzyRoro;2827536]Going on with your possibility of Beatrice creating Battler (at an unknown time and unknown date), it should thus follow that Beatrice is capable of creating people at her will and leisure. If that is so, then why would Beatrice take such a roundabout route to find a 'playmate'? If Battler is truly a creation of Beatrice, I believe that she would find no more enjoyment out of it than she does interacting with her already-magical 'family'. It would also render Beatrice's argument useless regarding the "denial of Ushiromiya Battler". In essence, it would also be akin to Maria and Sakutaro's relationship. [/QOUTE]
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2009-12-18, 17:30 | Link #1015 |
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Here's what I know about this topic, Battler does exist, Beatrice did not create Battler, Beatrice could not create a Human because she could not even create her own body. Beatrice is not fully a witch, via what Ange proved to Eva-Beatrice. Battler is not Asumu nor Rudolph's son, however Battler is related by blood to the Ushiromiya Family. Try to prove me wrong in blue if possible. *Chuckles*
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2009-12-18, 18:01 | Link #1016 | |
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Also, preview for 26: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9VEHLKGIxY&feature=sub |
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2009-12-18, 18:07 | Link #1017 | |
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2009-12-18, 18:19 | Link #1018 | |
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2009-12-18, 18:20 | Link #1019 | |
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How did you even come to the conclusion that Battler doesn't exist anyways. There are WAY WAY too many ways that prove how much he actually existed and none (that I can think of) that would prove otherwise. @spideys95: What makes you think Battler isn't Rudolph's son? I don't think anything was said to contradict it. With that out of the way, I'm starting to think that Rudolph and (maybe) Kyrie knew what was going to happen at the island (or at least thought they knew). It didn't even dawn on me till recently that in the first arc, Rudolph mentioned that he would most likely die to Battler and (I think Kyrie). Taking this into account (even though I do not have any idea how he got the funds unless he knew for a fact he wasn't making it out alive and used all of his own wealth), I think that it was him who sent out those letters with the keys to all of those relatives. I also think he may have done something to prevent Ange from going as well. He may have wanted to do the same for Battler but doubted that it would be as easy to explain both of them missing out. I can't remember where I heard it but I'm pretty sure that Ange was apparently sickly or something. |
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