[Manga] Claymore Chapter 78 Discussion

[Cyclone]

Originally Posted by Simley

Male creations failed, why would they make another male creation who is likely to fail? As far as we know, since the first generation, they haven't made any male claymores

It's not my theory and frankly I don't even like the idea. It's just that it was mentioned about twice already in this thread. I don't think the Org would rack their brains over it too much - if he's going to run and fight Pricilla, he's as good as dead anyways in thier minds. Anyways - too many assumptions upon assumptions to consider the theory seriously.

And actually, from the data books, the "first generation" is Riful, not the guys. The gentlemen are from a time refered to as "the era of male warriors" - no indication of how long that lasted though.

[tenken627]

Originally Posted by Cyclone

It's not my theory and frankly I don't even like the idea. It's just that it was mentioned about twice already in this thread. I don't think the Org would rack their brains over it too much - if he's going to run and fight Pricilla, he's as good as dead anyways in thier minds. Anyways - too many assumptions upon assumptions to consider the theory seriously.

And actually, from the data books, the "first generation" is Riful, not the guys. The gentlemen are from a time refered to as "the era of male warriors" - no indication of how long that lasted though.

Hmmmm, I seriously thought I read that Riful was the "first generation" of women. After the organization decided that males were failures. Maybe I need to look it up again.

[Tempest35]

Riful's from the first generation of female warriors - the 1st female Rank #1. And at the tender age of 14, unleashed all her powers and Awakened as the first female Abyssal.

The '14 year old' thing is just a hap-hazard guess - she looks 14-ish.

[Cyclone]

Originally Posted by tenken627

Hmmmm, I seriously thought I read that Riful was the "first generation" of women. After the organization decided that males were failures. Maybe I need to look it up again.

Yes she is the first female generation.
My point is that I don't recollect "the Male era" ever being refered to in generations - just plain old "era or male warriors".
Probably - there were some major changes to how the organization operates and probably started assigning generation designations only afterwards.

[[thousandmaster]]

Originally Posted by Cyclone

Yes she is the first female generation.
My point is that I don't recollect "the Male era" ever being refered to in generations - just plain old "era or male warriors".
Probably - there were some major changes to how the organization operates and probably started assigning generation designations only afterwards.

Then, how it that they have Isley as the 1st generation? o.o?

Personally, I think the male generation went to twenty and that was it. >.>

[Sunater]

One question-

There were 3 "Dwellers of the deep" right? Riful - Isley - who was the third one?

[Cyclone]

Originally Posted by Sunater

One question-

There were 3 "Dwellers of the deep" right? Riful - Isley - who was the third one?

Luciella of the South - Raphaela's sister.
You sure you read the manga?

[Sunater]

haha yea, but i have short memory...
Ive read the manga and watched the anime.

anyways..

how come Riful has a "husbend or Lover" when she`s said to be so young?
Shes much older ofcoures but she still caries her little-girl like human form
can awakened beings have a sexual feelings?

I`m talking about Dauf..

[Torri_fay_torren@hot]

Originally Posted by Cyclone

Hmm... I know people mention this over and over, so it's probably me who missed something, but I got the impression that there was only one little girl who was spared (strongly implying that it was chibi-Clare). What's the source to this?

I think your right. quote from Claymore Vol 8 Durring Dauf and Clare/ Jean/Galatea

Riful: Oh, one more thing: I heard that for some reason while she went from town to town, Annihilating them
There was one little girl she did not even touch. She's a mysterious child. Even though she tore out the guts of every single human in those cities. That little girl had not even one scratch. Yes, it's as if... that little girl did not even get reflected in her eyes.

I think that makes it pretty clear that only Clare was spared and that anybody else who ran across her was killed. If there is any errors then I believe its just the difference between are translations

[Simley]

Originally Posted by Torri_fay_torren@hot

I think your right. quote from Claymore Vol 8 Durring Dauf and Clare/ Jean/Galatea

Riful: Oh, one more thing: I heard that for some reason while she went from town to town, Annihilating them
There was one little girl she did not even touch. She's a mysterious child. Even though she tore out the guts of every single human in those cities. That little girl had not even one scratch. Yes, it's as if... that little girl did not even get reflected in her eyes.

I think that makes it pretty clear that only Clare was spared and that anybody else who ran across her was killed. If there is any errors then I believe its just the difference between are translations

yes, this has been bothering me too. People on these boards keep referring to how Priscilla doesn't kill little girls. Is it a mistranslation or something? The manga version I read was as stated above, she spared the one girl...

maybe you guys are referring to the fact that ophelia also was not killed? So it would seem like she's sparing little girls or just doesn't see them?

[Cyclone]

Originally Posted by [thousandmaster]

Then, how it that they have Isley as the 1st generation? o.o?

Personally, I think the male generation went to twenty and that was it. >.>

I dug through the data books - my Japanese isn't great so I'll can't read through all of it in any earthly amount of time.

Databook 3 (aka end of vol13) page Omake 18:
beside the picture of Isley, Rigardo, and Duff:
"shoki(early) otoko(man) jidai(era)" = "early male era" not "male 1st generation"

Granted, it's says "Riful jidai" right next to that (and "Luciella jidai" next to that)...
but Galatea's intro of Riful was more verbose:
"shojiki(org's) no onna(female) senshi(warrior) shodai(1st generation) NUMBAA(number) 1" ... yada yada yada (paraphrase: youngest to reach top spot and youngest to awaken riful of the west).

Are there any other rellevant refernences?

[Rowan]

how come Riful has a "husbend or Lover" when she`s said to be so young?
Shes much older ofcoures but she still caries her little-girl like human form
can awakened beings have a sexual feelings?

I`m talking about Dauf..

Well, you know Riful's waaaaay older than she looks. She's no kid. I think her current form just resembles what she looked like when she awakened.

On a different note, I sincerely doubt Awakened Beings have carnal impulses. I think Riful choosing Dauf as 'her man' is basically like calling him her lieutenant. It's just like Isley choosing to 'work' as Priscilla's lieutenant.

My $.02

R.

[Cyclone]

Originally Posted by Sunater

how come Riful has a "husbend or Lover" when she`s said to be so young?
Shes much older ofcoures but she still caries her little-girl like human form
can awakened beings have a sexual feelings?

I`m talking about Dauf..

Well, she's old enough - despite her looks (not really her fault her appearance does not age). Besides, I enjoy the fact that her and Duff are a couple. And good for Duff - no weak 2nd rate Awakened Being for him! Makes me wonder what kind of children they would have though :P

[Cyclone]

Originally Posted by Rowan

On a different note, I sincerely doubt Awakened Beings have carnal impulses. I think Riful choosing Dauf as 'her man' is basically like calling him her lieutenant. It's just like Isley choosing to 'work' as Priscilla's lieutenant.

I would strongly disagree with that.
Look at Agatha for example.
But even Riful said that Duff with his super hard body is the the only man who can handle her - hmm... I wonder what she meant by that, eh? Sounds like Riful likes it rough.

[Sunater]

Originally Posted by Cyclone

I would strongly disagree with that.
Look at Agatha for example.
But even Riful said that Duff with his super hard body is the the only one who can handle her - hmm... I wonder what she meant by that, eh? Sounds like Riful likes it rough.

haha that`s what i was thinking too
noughty little Riful

[FateAnomaly]

I seriously doubt it. With their biology, i don't think they will feel pleasure or pain in the same way. I don't think they can reproduce anyway. So it serves no purpose for them to have any sexual inclinations.

[Zsych]

They aren't a wholly new being, and our emotions aren't necessarily always sensible for the situation either. They may well retain the human sexual desire, even assuming that they can't reproduce(something we can't be sure of)
As for Riful's time period.... The first female #1, would probably have been in a time when men were still around, unless the whole male party vanished in one go.

[Simley]

Originally Posted by FateAnomaly

I seriously doubt it. With their biology, i don't think they will feel pleasure or pain in the same way. I don't think they can reproduce anyway. So it serves no purpose for them to have any sexual inclinations.

yeah...one of the main the reason humans reproduce is to pass on our genes...if awakened beings are immortal, and don't age, they don't really need to pass on any genes and thus don't have to really reproduce. I figure if AB's could reproduce, you could create insanely powerful children, can you imagine the offspring of an Isley/Priscilla combination?

[Cyclone]

Originally Posted by FateAnomaly

I seriously doubt it. With their biology, i don't think they will feel pleasure or pain in the same way. I don't think they can reproduce anyway. So it serves no purpose for them to have any sexual inclinations.

Purpose or not, the inuendo is almost unavoidable:
Riful calls Duff: "My man (atashi no otoko)"
and later: "no one else can take me without breaking"

And I somehow doubt that Agatha's "hey, Pretty Handsome. How about it? Feel like having fun one last time before it's over for you? I'm not that different from humans where it counts" statement to Cid (chap75) was an invitation to play Mahjong.

The urges are there - it's one of the things that makes them Awaken.

[Simley]

Originally Posted by Cyclone

Purpose or not, the inuendo is almost unavoidable:
Riful calls Duff: "My man (atashi no otoko)"
and later: "no one else can take me without breaking"

And I somehow doubt that Agatha's "hey, Pretty Handsome. How about it? Feel like having fun one last time before it's over for you? I'm not that different from humans where it counts" statement to Cid (chap75) was an invitation to play Mahjong.

The urges are there - it's one of the things that makes them Awaken.

hmm....when I read that part in the manga, I never really considered the sexual aspect of it. Maybe it was because Riful is so tiny in that form...but when I first read it, I thought it was because even though on the surface Riful seems innocent or weak, deep down she is vicious and cruel. Duph is the only one who knows her true nature, doesn't care, and accepts her unconditionally.

I dunno if he is getting any "nookie" on the side though...I highly doubt it from Riful anyways. It seems like he has his way with other claymores.