Madan no Ou to Vanadis [Light Novel]

[Prongs]

Madan no ou is Tir Na Fal kinda prophet.. maybe..

[Ramero]

Which is why i suspect that there will be another sequel for this and if not, it could be extended since there are many questions that has yet to be answered.

Not to mention Tigre will have two formidable opponents, Tallard and Kureys if they are remain alive to the end of the series which will be interesting for the next plot itself not to mention there could be new demons appear (Tallard was already confirmed since ten years after Battle of Prowirl, he will still be alive but for Kureys, dunno about it)

Even it was embodiment of Tir Na Fal, we don't know why the lore was called such things like that which was maybe out of goddess league since legends are made by people, not any gods nor goddesses.

[DragonOsman]

But Tir na Fal does seem to play an important role in the lore and in the Madan no Ou's rise to power as well as in his reign.

Tallard has been written off. It was mentioned that Asvarre and the country it was fighting (I forget the name) will have their war continue for the next ten years. He won't be able to do anything to Tigre in that time.

[Ramero]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

But Tir na Fal does seem to play an important role in the lore and in the Madan no Ou's rise to power as well as in his reign.

Tallard has been written off. It was mentioned that Asvarre and the country it was fighting (I forget the name) will have their war continue for the next ten years. He won't be able to do anything to Tigre in that time.

Yes but what causes the lore to be established is still unknown even she come to great play but eventually people make the legend of it.

Yes i know that Tallard has been written off but that doesn't mean he will not appear again as he could be Tigre's main opponent the next time they met which high chance happens at the next sequel.

[DragonOsman]

Yeah, I do want to get more answers. But I was just that it's pretty much confirmed that Tir na Fal has an important role to play in the lore.

If there's a sequel, then yeah, it seems likely that Tallard and Tigre will cross paths in it. I can agree with you on that.

[holybell84]

Originally Posted by Chingaruna517

Because, @Ultragunner, being a mercenary as she always been prior to her rise as a Vanadis, survival is the only thing Fine know in her life, so she has to be hostile towards anyone whom seemly think as a threat. Keep in very mind that Elen and Fine did know each other and even used to be friends prior her life in the Silver Gale Mercenary which it later collapsed after she killed Vissarion in another war. That alone opting Elen take this into more personal account for a former idol killed her respected father figure.



Oh I see....Wait a minute, something is amiss here.

Spoiler for Personal response to above:

Are you tell me that the wandering mercenary, who travel across the continent, that's before her rise of a Vanadis, and she never heard about Brune Civil War or Asvarre Civil War? Last I recalled, in Vol.14, Fine yearns to meet Tigre after hearing Elen's wars in Brune from Tina not too long ago, and on the Vol.15. What, does a botched reconciliation attempt with Elen makes her miss Tigre that fast? Figures, Tigre's interference is what Fine think that he is getting her way for the kill, but what does she mean thought Tigre is easily to be disposed off? You are facing an archer who is involved intwo Civil Wars, defeating two massive invading army and even four demons including the likes of Ganelon and also the only person whom Elen viewed as beloved, with the feat like that Tigre will not be easily to be beaten. I think the deflective of an arrow that pass her face part is her miscalculation and she should be worrying about what Elen going to do because, oh I don't know, only makes her even angrier when she finds out Tigre's death by her hands? As if killing Vissarion isn't enough in damaging their relationship?

And regarding Tina's blatant lies, nice try because there are contradictions in that lies and I am pretty glad that Ruslan is no fool. Here is the thing,

1. Elen was tasked in taking part in repelling Sachstein Army in Brune, which by the way also involving Tina as well, and she have to deal with other ordeals such as Greast and Muozinel Army as well. So, where did she have a time in plotting a rebellion when she have Tigre at her side? She should know better.
2. It is clearly there is a rift between Sofy and Tina due to their differences, especially the latter's ominous idea in taking over Zhcted? This blame is her excuse in getting ride of Sofy who know too much of her plot, isn't it?
3. About Liza part? I don't know, considering her betrayal because of her investigation about Ilda's death? If I not mistaken, according to Tina, she noted that Liza has changed after meeting with Tigre.

Spoiler for Spoiler:

Yes, it is pointed out in the novel that Fig does not know much about Tigre, including the extend of his archery skills. She had not witness what Tigre can do first hand other than possibly knowing that he is a good archer, but not one with hack skills. She definitely will not worry about what Ellen will cos 1) she is looking forward to fighting Ellen 2) if she do not have much info on Tigre, she will not know how close they are.

At this point, no one in the book knows about what Valentina is plotting; Sophie has been suspicious of her actions and her being sick from the start but knows nothing about her plans + some of them were in the capital for a while now, spreading out to gather information about what has happened in there when they were away. It's quite valid to use that as an excuse to charge them for starting the incitation for a rebellion.

You are probably reading too much from a reader perspective and not the characters.....

[Chingaruna517]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

@Chingaruna: You asked why Tir na Fal knows about the Madan no Ou lore? Do you really need to ask that? I mean, after all, it should be obvious by now that the goddess the lore mentions whose will the Madan no Ou embodies is her. That and there's also the quote I brought from Kidstandout based on his MTL of Volume 15. And yeah, sure, it's an MTL, but right now it's all we have to go on.

Well, I guess we have to wait until the translated volume to find out huh....

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

I'm also glad Ruslan wasn't fooled by Tina's lies. But that being said, it's still possible that being confined like that is part of her plan someone else on here pointed out.

Spoiler for Response to Tina accepting her House Arrest?:

I don't know what makes Tina accepting her punishment willingly (?), but I supposed that is a trap?

@holybell84 My bad, but I still have to make out the plot point about because what Tina lies in order to cover doesn't even adding up here, so did Fine's interactions with Tigre.

[Ramero]

Originally Posted by Chingaruna517

Well, I guess we have to wait until the translated volume to find out huh....

Spoiler for Response to Tina accepting her House Arrest?:

I don't know what makes Tina accepting her punishment willingly (?), but I supposed that is a trap?

@holybell84 My bad, but I still have to make out the plot point about because what Tina lies in order to cover doesn't even adding up here, so did Fine's interactions with Tigre.

Well.. No more fan service anymore is it? i hope that Fine will be the next "victim" of fan service.

Spoiler for Possible Tina's next plot:

Or maybe i suspect she is orchestrating something again. She still yearn for power and maybe she want to make a deal with Ganelon for this.

[KnightShade]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zirnitra

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ogical_figures

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triglav_(mythology)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marzanna

Relevant information regarding the madan lore. all the gods, demons and creatures are based on slavic IRL counterparts either directly or loosely. The last two links refer to the gods Tir Na Fal is based on (a combo of the three headed god of war and the goddess of harvest, witchcraft and death). Sound familiar?

[holybell84]

Remaining info from chap 1:

Spoiler for Spoiler:

Sophie, Mira and Olga met up with Ellen, Lim and Tigre back at her house later. Sophie suspects Valentina to be using her confinement to draw out her enemies, i.e. Eugene supporters as they will start planning how to keep her away in a more permanent fashion; pretty much everyone knows given Valentina was always next to Ruslan.

The Vanadis views are that they do not mind supporting Ruslan as king, as long as Valentina is out of the way. Olga threw in her support behind their view and Ellen is supportive of Eugene instead. But since Eugene has no desire for the throne +he swore loyalty to Ruslan, she will respect his wishes. Though if Ruslan decide to fight Eugene, she will defend Eugene instead

1 reason that Liza was aimed was due to where her territory is; she is in a position to backstab Valentina and Fine if they are moving their army. Other reasons included the though that Liza might not become their ally, speaking in favour for Palto and the change in Liza's attitude towards Ellen.

Ruslan was revealed to be in cahoots with Fine and Valentina by the end of the chapter; iirc Liza entered a battle with a noble and Ellen took his head. They are planning to fan the enimity between that late noble's son and Liza.

And Sophie the tease, greeting Tigre with "I am back darling(anata)" and proceed to hug him (it was raining outside so she went for the warmest looking person). Tigre was made to take the seat furthest away from Sophie later at dinner.

[Ramero]

Sophie is still bold as always but not like Olga where she strike Tigre straight at his heart.

Spoiler for Spoiler reply:

I fear that once Sofy found the lore itself and informing the Vanadises that Tigre is the rightful successor, they will immediately pledge their allegiance to him but of course i start to suspect that the rivalries to get his affection will get more intense for that.

[Chingaruna517]

Originally Posted by holybell84

Remaining info from chap 1:

Spoiler for Spoiler:

Sophie, Mira and Olga met up with Ellen, Lim and Tigre back at her house later. Sophie suspects Valentina to be using her confinement to draw out her enemies, i.e. Eugene supporters as they will start planning how to keep her away in a more permanent fashion; pretty much everyone knows given Valentina was always next to Ruslan.

The Vanadis views are that they do not mind supporting Ruslan as king, as long as Valentina is out of the way. Olga threw in her support behind their view and Ellen is supportive of Eugene instead. But since Eugene has no desire for the throne +he swore loyalty to Ruslan, she will respect his wishes. Though if Ruslan decide to fight Eugene, she will defend Eugene instead

1 reason that Liza was aimed was due to where her territory is; she is in a position to backstab Valentina and Fine if they are moving their army. Other reasons included the though that Liza might not become their ally, speaking in favour for Palto and the change in Liza's attitude towards Ellen.

Ruslan was revealed to be in cahoots with Fine and Valentina by the end of the chapter; iirc Liza entered a battle with a noble and Ellen took his head. They are planning to fan the enimity between that late noble's son and Liza.

And Sophie the tease, greeting Tigre with "I am back darling(anata)" and proceed to hug him (it was raining outside so she went for the warmest looking person). Tigre was made to take the seat furthest away from Sophie later at dinner.

Spoiler for Response from above:

1. The aftermath for the event leaving the remaining three Vanadises (Sofy, Mila and Olga) to discuss with Elen and Lim. That concerns everyone considering Tina is next to Ruslan. Does nobody knows aside from Ilda has any suspicions towards Ruslan's return?
2. The meeting itself almost turn into an argument where Elen is supportive to Eugene as king? To the point she will going to defy Ruslan as long he is plan to kill his former mentor? Something tells me that Elen isn't quite profound in supporting Ruslan in anyway....
3. So the reason Liza is attacked is explained as an precaution for them just in case she betrayed them? Whichever the reasons are clearly they don't want anyone ruining whatever they plan with. Thanks to Tigre however the plan is foiled and Liza lives another day.
4. So, Tina's confinement is actually her ploy and Ruslan is actually an ally of Tina and Fine? I take it back about Ruslan's as a "smart" king because of his bias allegiance. Because he is indebted to her medicine? For shame, Ruslan! This makes him the biggest and stupidest puppet king in the series!
5. Hang on a minute, I thought the rivalry between Liza and Elen has ended after Baba Yaga Arc. Why are they fighting again?
6. So we have a moment between Sofy and Tigre and, holy heck did she say to Tigre her darling? And why is the Brune Hero sitting away from the Light Vanadis? Is it because of fear or just plain shyness?

[Ramero]

Originally Posted by Chingaruna517

Spoiler for Response from above:

1. The aftermath for the event leaving the remaining three Vanadises (Sofy, Mila and Olga) to discuss with Elen and Lim. That concerns everyone considering Tina is next to Ruslan. Does nobody knows aside from Ilda has any suspicions towards Ruslan's return?
2. The meeting itself almost turn into an argument where Elen is supportive to Eugene as king? To the point she will going to defy Ruslan as long he is plan to kill his former mentor? Something tells me that Elen isn't quite profound in supporting Ruslan in anyway....
3. So the reason Liza is attacked is explained as an precaution for them just in case she betrayed them? Whichever the reasons are clearly they don't want anyone ruining whatever they plan with. Thanks to Tigre however the plan is foiled and Liza lives another day.
4. So, Tina's confinement is actually her ploy and Ruslan is actually an ally of Tina and Fine? I take it back about Ruslan's as a "smart" king because of his bias allegiance. Because he is indebted to her medicine? For shame, Ruslan! This makes him the biggest and stupidest puppet king in the series!
5. Hang on a minute, I thought the rivalry between Liza and Elen has ended after Baba Yaga Arc. Why are they fighting again?
6. So we have a moment between Sofy and Tigre and, holy heck did she say to Tigre her darling? And why is the Brune Hero sitting away from the Light Vanadis? Is it because of fear or just plain shyness?

Spoiler for Reply to above:

Tigre is clearly scared of Sofy's bold behavior and he want to avoid her as much as he could so which is why he want to take a seat further away from her.
I think someone want to bringing the old feud back to live again but i think it will be likely not happening much since they will place Tigre's head at their stake

[Chingaruna517]

Originally Posted by Ramero

Spoiler for Reply to above:

Tigre is clearly scared of Sofy's bold behavior and he want to avoid her as much as he could so which is why he want to take a seat further away from her.
I think someone want to bringing the old feud back to live again but i think it will be likely not happening much since they will place Tigre's head at their stake

Spoiler for Reply to above:

Hahahaha....that is pretty funny for Tigre trying to stay away from the trouble he don't want to be....

Anyhow, back to the serious topic

Spoiler for Response to the opening conflict.:

1. How stupid Ruslan can be for his bias allegiance with Tina and Fine? I know he is indebted to the Void Vanadis for the cure, but what benefit will he had in mind by allying himself with the female wolf in sheep clothing? Something tells me that he don't want to be king and his reign is the short-lived one....
2. Also, can anybody tell me what are the plans between Liza and Elen now? We all see she is in an injured state after her losing battle against Fine, right?
3. And lets not get too high up about Tigre's foreshadowing as king just yet: We have to witness that while all four know very well that Tina is next to them. Why? "cause Ruslan and Eugene are the main topic they are talking about; and also, will Tigre going to tell Sofy about what Tir Na Fal told him or what?

[Ramero]

Originally Posted by Chingaruna517

Spoiler for Reply to above:

Hahahaha....that is pretty funny for Tigre trying to stay away from the trouble he don't want to be....

Anyhow, back to the serious topic

Spoiler for Response to the opening conflict.:

1. How stupid Ruslan can be for his bias allegiance with Tina and Fine? I know he is indebted to the Void Vanadis for the cure, but what benefit will he had in mind by allying himself with the female wolf in sheep clothing? Something tells me that he don't want to be king and his reign is the short-lived one....
2. Also, can anybody tell me what are the plans between Liza and Elen now? We all see she is in an injured state after her losing battle against Fine, right?
3. And lets not get too high up about Tigre's foreshadowing as king just yet: We have to witness that while all four know very well that Tina is next to them. Why? "cause Ruslan and Eugene are the main topic they are talking about; and also, will Tigre going to tell Sofy about what Tir Na Fal told him or what?

Spoiler for Reply to above:

1. Something tells me that Ruslan is not capable enough to command Zhcted directly and i wonder how Ruslan will survive this anyway. I still stick my expectations that he will go insane and burn Royal Palace eventually.
2. I got no idea about it but i have a hunch that someone may want to open the old wounds again
3. I think Tigre will tell Sofy regarding to that if she decide to hold a serious talk about it. We don't know the rest itself and things can be get messy in the future not to mention many are want Eugene to be exiled out.

Spoiler for Future expectations:

1. In addition of Muozinel attacked Zhcted from the south, i may suspect that Tallard will dispatch either Valid Ludra or Kressdill to command the assault to Zhcted via Legnica and Lebus since Tallard was already occupied with Sachstein-Asvarre Campaign for ten years but i still count that he could send his subordinates to take advantage on Zhcted as well.
2. I do hope that Elen and Liza won't be affected much if someone try to upbringing the old feud again since they already reconcile because of Tigre but it can still happened again.
3. Aside of that, we don't know what Regiment is that serves as the ace card of Zhcted. Brune got Navarre Knights as their ace while we don't know who is the ace of Zhcted Army that at least equal to Vanadises. Remember that Roland even can corner Elen and Sofy single-handedly.

[Marx-93]

Originally Posted by holybell84

Spoiler for Spoiler:

Ruslan was revealed to be in cahoots with Fine and Valentina by the end of the chapter; iirc Liza entered a battle with a noble and Ellen took his head.

Spoiler for Spoiler:

What was Ellen doing fighting that noble? She was fighting together with Liza or was there for a completely different reason?

And, on Ruslan

Spoiler for Ruslan:

We don't know anything of how he was cured, so I would refrain from evaluating him until we know more. For all that we know, he could be a puppet of Tina through magic, or in cahoots with Ganelon.

He most probably only confined Tina to keep appearances. The punishment is lenient and flexible enough to not really matter, and as we can see it can be effectively turned into a ploy.

[Chingaruna517]

Originally Posted by Marx-93

Spoiler for Spoiler:

What was Ellen doing fighting that noble? She was fighting together with Liza or was there for a completely different reason?

And, on Ruslan

Spoiler for Ruslan:

We don't know anything of how he was cured, so I would refrain from evaluating him until we know more. For all that we know, he could be a puppet of Tina through magic, or in cahoots with Ganelon.

He most probably only confined Tina to keep appearances. The punishment is lenient and flexible enough to not really matter, and as we can see it can be effectively turned into a ploy.

Spoiler for Response with Elen's role in Liza's new skirmish:

I only hope is not fighting against each other again considering they has just reconcile after meeting Tigre. The last time we see Liza and Elen are fighting against the enemy are during their battles against Ilda and Kazakov, the latter of who was notoriously despised Liza so much that he opted to kill her because of her Rainbow-Eyes, and got himself decapitated after battling against Elen. The better question should be why is Liza herself even begin her battle against another noble to begin with, considering she is injured during her duel against Fine?

Also,

Spoiler for Anything about Ruslan:

As much we don't know about Ruslan, all we know now is that he is a puppet king under Tina's ploy for her rise of power. My question to you however is, this fool has been locked away at the shrine and never seen anything outside the shrine, how is he a cahoot to Ganelon of all people?Basically, his stupidity is already screwing his reign as Zhcted King and his kingdom will bite the bigger dust! not to mention we have Muozinel Army to worry about after its quick recovery from the succession dispute!

[Marx-93]

Originally Posted by Chingaruna517

Spoiler for Anything about Ruslan:

As much we don't know about Ruslan, all we know now is that he is a puppet king under Tina's ploy for her rise of power. My question to you however is, this fool has been locked away at the shrine and never seen anything outside the shrine, how is he a cahoot to Ganelon of all people?Basically, his stupidity is already screwing his reign as Zhcted King and his kingdom will bite the bigger dust! not to mention we have Muozinel Army to worry about after its quick recovery from the succession dispute!

Spoiler for Ruslan:

The question is, we don't even know if he really was locked at that shrine or if he actually is crazy. It is told from the beginning that the incident in which Ruslan was deemed mad was extremely shady and almost nothing is known besides it.

Maybe he contacted the demons at that time, and while Tina is thinking she has him as his puppet everything is in fact going as he planned. Maybe he is a demon and the real Ruslan died that day. Maybe Ruslan faked his madness in order to avoid assassination attempts, and its playing the Vanadis against each other as usual (like his father did). We literally don't know anything, so even the fact that he might be Tina's pupper has to be treated with extreme cautious. Ruslan was always pointed as a brilliant in both political and military matters, so I don't think we can justify what might be long-term plans with "stupidity".

[holybell84]

Originally Posted by Chingaruna517

Spoiler for Response from above:

1. The aftermath for the event leaving the remaining three Vanadises (Sofy, Mila and Olga) to discuss with Elen and Lim. That concerns everyone considering Tina is next to Ruslan. Does nobody knows aside from Ilda has any suspicions towards Ruslan's return?
2. The meeting itself almost turn into an argument where Elen is supportive to Eugene as king? To the point she will going to defy Ruslan as long he is plan to kill his former mentor? Something tells me that Elen isn't quite profound in supporting Ruslan in anyway....
3. So the reason Liza is attacked is explained as an precaution for them just in case she betrayed them? Whichever the reasons are clearly they don't want anyone ruining whatever they plan with. Thanks to Tigre however the plan is foiled and Liza lives another day.
4. So, Tina's confinement is actually her ploy and Ruslan is actually an ally of Tina and Fine? I take it back about Ruslan's as a "smart" king because of his bias allegiance. Because he is indebted to her medicine? For shame, Ruslan! This makes him the biggest and stupidest puppet king in the series!
5. Hang on a minute, I thought the rivalry between Liza and Elen has ended after Baba Yaga Arc. Why are they fighting again?
6. So we have a moment between Sofy and Tigre and, holy heck did she say to Tigre her darling? And why is the Brune Hero sitting away from the Light Vanadis? Is it because of fear or just plain shyness?

Spoiler for Spoiler:

... No.... the dinner discussion did not turn into an argument on whom the Vanadis will support. They merely state their stance on the matter.

We do not know exactly what state is Ruslan in atm, so whether he is smart or indebted we can't tell.

In an earlier vol, which I think is the Baba Yaga one, Liza entered into a feud with a neighbouring noble that has a strong disdain towards her eye condition. Ellen volunteered to take his head since any bad blood spilling over from that feud will result in a longer term battle since that noble's territory is next to Liza's.

Tigre was made to sit far away from Sophie. By whom we can easily guess.

[Chingaruna517]

Originally Posted by Marx-93

Spoiler for Ruslan:

The question is, we don't even know if he really was locked at that shrine or if he actually is crazy. It is told from the beginning that the incident in which Ruslan was deemed mad was extremely shady and almost nothing is known besides it.

Maybe he contacted the demons at that time, and while Tina is thinking she has him as his puppet everything is in fact going as he planned. Maybe he is a demon and the real Ruslan died that day. Maybe Ruslan faked his madness in order to avoid assassination attempts, and its playing the Vanadis against each other as usual (like his father did). We literally don't know anything, so even the fact that he might be Tina's pupper has to be treated with extreme cautious. Ruslan was always pointed as a brilliant in both political and military matters, so I don't think we can justify what might be long-term plans with "stupidity".

Him? Planning? (laughing with sarcasm for five minutes.....)

Spoiler for Responding Questions regarding Ruslan:

1. If his madness really an act in order to get escape possible conflicts or feud with anyone, how the heck Ruslan is going to stay in the kingdom? He could just flee away just like Regin during the Battle of Dinant and wait until he appears for god knows how long and then ready to strike. So why the heck was he gave in the arrest in the first place?
2. Also, if he is meeting with the demon, who? WHO? I highly doubt it would be Koschei or Drekavac or even Baba Yaga at this point. And even if he randomly see a demon, what is his deal that outsmart even Tina? Was to annihilate all of the War Maidens under his regime of terror?
3. And lastly, about his brilliance in both political and military matters, THESE ARE PAST TENSE! He may be like that in his prime, but that changed since his "imprisonment" within the shrine. Plus, not even he knows about what is happening at the outside world, specially the civil wars in Brune and Asvarre, and don't you dare mentioning about him knowing the Madan no Ou lore, 'case this is impossible!

Originally Posted by holybell84

Spoiler for Spoiler:

In an earlier vol, which I think is the Baba Yaga one, Liza entered into a feud with a neighbouring noble that has a strong disdain towards her eye condition. Ellen volunteered to take his head since any bad blood spilling over from that feud will result in a longer term battle since that noble's territory is next to Liza's.

Spoiler for Regarding Liza's rivalry with neighboring noble.:

About that, we are not going Kazakov again, are we? Or is the noble is a retainer/supporter to the former Earl of Polus? Could it be......the Ghost of Kazakov?!