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Brain isn't a hero. he is a merc who kills to make a living.
Death Spreading Brigade main job is raiding in times of peace, including attacking, raping and ransoming their victims. until they met their end with shaltear in S1. By Metaneo's standards, it is entirely acceptable to rape, kill and kidnap people. Quote:
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2018-10-05, 15:06 | Link #1022 | ||
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Blue Rose have literally defended demihuman villages against Slaine Theocracy attack. There are characters like Climb and Gazef who are willing to put others before themselves and do the right thing even if they could die doing it. Quote:
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2018-10-05, 15:14 | Link #1024 | |
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There is actually a whole bunch of characters that are considered heroes that didn't exactly start out as such. Take the elder scrolls series for example where you start out as some sort of prisoner in almost every installment. It's a rare form of character development that has gained popularity recently. Hero to villain is really just the more common one.
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2018-10-05, 15:18 | Link #1025 |
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I'd honestly be OK with calling Brain a hero. He didn't start out that way, of course, but through out the course of the series, he's evolved into a good person, someone that is worthy to be a hero.
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By my standards people like you who press their own interpretations as facts with nothing to back them up wouldn't be allowed near a computer. Last edited by Metaneo; 2018-10-05 at 22:49. |
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2018-10-06, 00:43 | Link #1031 | ||
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You guys should certainly read the online novel https://practicalguidetoevil.wordpress.com/ if you haven't already.
The main character ends up working as a "villain" for a benevolent evil empire. Although they never claim to be anything but evil so maybe that won't appeal. Quote:
Oda Nobunaga is generally considered to be a villain though. Well this does sound like something Ainz would do Quote:
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I do wonder; how would one start to ban slavery in the New World, if they want to do it as a hero?
One thing that was brought up in other places, was that modern Isekai stories almost NEVER ban slavery. The alleged hero may buy and free a slave or two, but slavery itself is just assumed to be something that can't be fought. That it is out of the hero's hands. Yes, Reener tried to ban slavery in her nation, but it was still happening. And her nation was about to be destroyed by Empire and Theocracy, neither ban slavery as long as only Elves are enslaved. I guess what I am saying, is that slavery can only be combated by actual military might and subjugation of peoples. People needed to be forced against their will to stop keeping slaves. And the traditional "Hero", could never do such a thing.
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2018-10-06, 01:18 | Link #1033 | |
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And probably the reason why most Isekai stories contain slavery is because it makes sense given how most settings resemble our own world about 500 - 600 years ago. I mean yeah, the author could just not include slavery in the narrative and it could fit just fine, but honestly, humans love enslaving each other for little reasons other than it's cheap, effective labor. And when you include sentient races that arent human, we would probably have tried to enslave them if they existed in our world as well. |
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2018-10-06, 03:44 | Link #1037 | |
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Ultimately a "hero" could only do it for countries he was in charge or, or for countries where he was able to convince them in charge to ban it. Or lead a revolution. That is certainly hero-like. |
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I mean, it shouldn't be that hard when they have the power to save or destroy the world. They can demand countries to ban slavery or face their wrath, or they can lead a worldwide revolution against it and topple any government that chooses to keep it, but they don't. In many case, heroes commit mass genocide and ethnic cleansing on entire races like demon, demihuman or anything non-human but still have an issue with forcing humans to abandon inhuman practice. It's some twisted morality.
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2018-10-06, 07:22 | Link #1039 |
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I think don't that Climb's explanation for Gazef's actions is right. I think that explanation is just something Climb came up with because it suits him. He actually does that kind of rationalization all the time.
If the options of Gazef or (a) join Ainz or (b) die then I could understand him choosing (b). Ainz didn't say "join me or die" but I guess that was implied? Last edited by moridin84; 2018-10-06 at 08:36. |
2018-10-06, 08:10 | Link #1040 | |
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So, the North didn't "go for a ban". The South forced a war because slaves were so important to them. During the war, to make the political point that the war was about slavery, to even idiot Europeans, we get things like the Emancipation Proclamation. I wouldn't have spoken, but a bit too much "Lost Cause" propaganda being tossed around.. |
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