2017-09-20, 17:19 | Link #1021 |
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Ddraig said Vritra was troublesome because of his versatility, didn't he? And in his Dragon King state, Saji has access to all of Vritra's power and abilities. Do keep in mind what abilities Vritra has and what they can do, too. Ise has to stay on his toes against Technique-types anyway, and Saji's abilities because of Vritra are especially troublesome to face.
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2017-09-20, 17:41 | Link #1022 |
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Saying Vrita's the weakest Dragon King is like saying Kiba's the weakest member of the Gremory group. In terms of PURE POWER, Vritra is the weakest. But that doesn't make him weaker than the other Dragon Kings. His strength lies in his abilities and versatility which makes him a match for the other Dragon Kings.
And Issei's CCQ isn't HD-class in strength. It's basically Satan-class or a little higher. And I would put Saji at the level of an Ultimate-class devil. And how is a BB close to CCQ? Vali, Sairaorg, Dulio, Tobio, Cao Cao. That's how. But then again they're Longinus possessors like Issei and that's an unfair comparison. But still Saji's BB is very strong. Yes CCQ is stronger than Saji's BB. But just because someone's stronger than someone doesn't mean they will win every single time. Might win 8 out of 10 times. And plus Issei isn't invincible.He has a natural weakness against technique-types. And if there are technique-types who could defeat Issei, it's Saji and Kiba. Issei is stronger than them but is that really an excuse to let your guard down? You act like Issei is HD-level. He's not. When he's in DxD he is but that's only for a couple of minutes. And you shouldn't use absolutes like always. Because they're rarely true. |
2017-09-20, 17:53 | Link #1023 |
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^Exactly.
Although we have to keep in mind that CxC only isn't Heavenly Dragon-level for now. Because Ise's base is still trash. Once he gets strong enough to handle CxC being Heavenly Dragon-level, it will reach that level. I've already said why I think so and also provided quotes. It's Ddraig's original power completely liberated, so now it's just about when Ise will become strong enough in base form to be able to bring out Ddraig's full power in CxC (Ddraig's full power or more, actually). And at that point, Ise should be able to use Blazing Inferno of Scorching Flames in that form as well if he isn't able to already.
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2017-09-20, 20:17 | Link #1024 |
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You read the story right its not my opinion that Vrita is the weakest Dragon King it was stated in the story look it up. And you talk about Saji and technique and I'm talking about Saji in a fist fight with Ise. And Saji being Ultimate-class please give me the chapter where it says that, not your opinion but in the story.
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2017-09-20, 21:03 | Link #1025 |
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Yeah that's my opinion. But then again Saji achieved Balance Breaker, has a lot of combat experience, and is worth 5 pawn pieces in this tournament. So I would say he's Ultimate-class in strength in my opinion.
And like I said, it said Vritra was the weakest in terms of PURE POWER, not the weakest overall. Again you would have to call Kiba the weakest member out of the Gremory group by that logic. Vritra relies on his versatile abilities mainly. If he managed to give a Heavenly Dragon like Ddraig trouble, what do you think he can do with tbe other Dragon Kings who are around his level? |
2017-09-20, 23:22 | Link #1027 |
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Okay I'm not trying to bully you lucidrago but I need to set you straight stop saying in my opinion when power scaling it either is or isn't there is no bias or opinion or points of view when it comes to statements like the one you just made shit what proof do you even have to back up that statement I'm not saying Saji isn't strong or anything but don't ever go making statements like the one you just made without any proof shit even after getting his balance breaker he got curved stomps by walberga saji hasn't even beaten any ultimate class opponents also sona makes the strategy's and helps them develop the techniques not saji
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2017-09-21, 05:53 | Link #1030 | |
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From Volume 7, Life 4:
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2017-09-21, 07:26 | Link #1032 |
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^Actually, it's Shemhazai. It was the scene when Grigori finished transplanting the other Vritra SG and sent Saji in Dragon King Mode against Loki.
Still doesn't show how the witch could curbstomp BB Saji. Tho I called it bullsh*t back then when he in base can last long against BB mode Issei in Volume 5. I give up this time.
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2017-09-21, 08:24 | Link #1036 |
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^No, it's not who wins the fight. That's obvious. But if you compare them when they are fighting, it seems like Saji's the hero and Issei's the OP demon king. Get what I mean now?
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And you do have to admit that whether she was serious or not she's a Longinus possessor. And Saji's flames were matching the flames of Incinerate Anthem. Saji's abilities aren't something you can write off so easily. His abilities would give Issei trouble to the point where Issei couldn't be careless. And yeah they would work on Issei I'm very sure. Issei isn't invincible. He is still vulnerable to many things. And Saji only achieved his Balance Breaker in Volume 17. And you saw how quickly he cut a path through those Evil Dragons. And he wasn't even curbstomped by Bedeze Abaddon. Well overwhelmed but not curbstomped. And that was mainly due to bad compatibility with Bedeze. Saji with his BB and abilities would put Issei in CCQ at a disadvantage due to his natural weakness against technique-types. It would make them look close to even. But regardless, Issei would mostly win in their battles. Last edited by Lucidrago; 2017-09-21 at 09:40. |
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2017-09-21, 10:10 | Link #1039 |
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Yeah. It's sad how much Saji is underestimated here even with Ise having really bad compatibility against Technique-types, which Saji also is. Yeah, sure, Ise can beat him, but because of Saji's powers and abilities, Ise would still have to stay on his toes the whole time. He can't relax for even bit when he and Saji fight. Same with Kiba. In terms of pure power, Ise is stronger than Kiba, but Kiba can make up for it with his speed and techniques. When they spar, Ise can't completely beat him and Kiba can't completely beat Ise, either. They're about even.
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