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coded321 · 2020-10-30, 13:37

Adding onto Majin's post, if biden does win, radical changes/reforms are the barest minimum he needs to do to repair the damage Trump has inflicted on government institutions. If Trump loses, do you really think he's going to transition peacefully? No he's going to do a scorched earth, leaving a charred mess of a government on the way out. So biden inherits a depleted federal workforce, an ongoing pandemic, a flailing economy with millions in unemployed and in poverty, an ultraconservative Supreme court, damaged international relationships, an all time high federal debt, climate change, etc. So radical reforms are barest minimum biden will need to do.

And guess who's suddendly going to be blaming biden and the democrats for all the aforementioned issues? Republicans that's who. So that's the second thing biden and democrats must do, forgo any pretenses of bipartisanship or compromise, or political norms, or whatever unity bs. Obama spent 8 years reaching across the isle, only for Republicans to spit in his face. Biden better not make the same mistake.

ganbaru · 2020-10-30, 13:47

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Originally Posted by coded321

And guess who's suddendly going to be blaming biden and the democrats for all the aforementioned issues? Republicans that's who. So that's the second thing biden and democrats must do, forgo any pretenses of bipartisanship or compromise, or political norms, or whatever unity bs. Obama spent 8 years reaching across the isle, only for Republicans to spit in his face. Biden better not make the same mistake.

If the leak about his projected cabinet is to be true (or just to look at his history), Biden is likely to double down on that mistake.

cyberdemon · 2020-10-30, 13:48

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Originally Posted by The Green One

Even if Biden wins Republicans aren't going to just magically cooperate with him. Very little will probably actually change during his term, but hopefully at least things will stop getting actively worse.

The biggest thing in Biden's favor is he's given every indication he'll treat Covid as the serious threat it is. It remains to be seen if the Government itself will be anything remotely cooperative.

Trump and McConnell are getting along in age. I have hopes that once they are too old to continue that the Republican Party will have to reform the was they see doing things.

The Green One · 2020-10-30, 17:44

I'm not holding my breath. Politicians are slaves to their constituents and tell them what they think they want to hear to earn votes.

Guardian Enzo · 2020-10-30, 18:38

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Originally Posted by The Green One

Even if Biden wins Republicans aren't going to just magically cooperate with him. Very little will probably actually change during his term, but hopefully at least things will stop getting actively worse.

The biggest thing in Biden's favor is he's given every indication he'll treat Covid as the serious threat it is. It remains to be seen if the Government itself will be anything remotely cooperative.

If Biden wins he'll almost certainly do so with a Democratic Senate. There will be opportunities to get shit done - the problem is the Supremes will block many initiatives en masse.

coded321 · 2020-10-30, 20:09

^hence why expanding the supreme court is an absolute necessity. The democrats can override any objections from the Republicans by simply pointing out this term and all the crap the Republicans pulled with the Supreme court.

The Green One · 2020-10-30, 20:36

Not like the Democrats wouldn't of tried it if the opportunity came up.

Guardian Enzo · 2020-10-31, 00:07

Biden is actually popular and well-liked, which is a big reason why he'll likely win.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-help-him-win/

Sheba · 2020-10-31, 01:06

One problem is Cheetos deliberately sabotaging the vote by mail system

Guardian Enzo · 2020-10-31, 01:42

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coded321 · 2020-10-31, 03:31

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Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

Biden is actually popular and well-liked, which is a big reason why he'll likely win.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-help-him-win/

And that is why Trump has been focusing on stealing the election, spreading misinformation and lies, and sabotaging the usps to create chaos on election day.

The reason why biden will win is because Trump is such an incompetent and blatantly corrupt bastard, he makes biden look like a Saint. That's what makes this different from 2016, Trump is literally driving voters to biden. Votes for biden are less about his popularity, and more about getting that orange out of the white house.

Guardian Enzo · 2020-10-31, 06:13

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Originally Posted by coded321

And that is why Trump has been focusing on stealing the election, spreading misinformation and lies, and sabotaging the usps to create chaos on election day.

The reason why biden will win is because Trump is such an incompetent and blatantly corrupt bastard, he makes biden look like a Saint. That's what makes this different from 2016, Trump is literally driving voters to biden. Votes for biden are less about his popularity, and more about getting that orange out of the white house.

Nope, but keep telling yourself that if it's what you need to do to support Biden.

I supported Warren, but I don't see why it's so hard for so many people in the echo chamber to admit that Biden is well-liked and actually a pretty good candidate. He was the front-runner in the polls before the primaries started, had his struggles in the early states, then steamrolled. He was always the guy a plurality of Democrats nationally wanted to be the nominee. Dislike of Trump doesn't get Biden a 55% personal favorability rating. That's all on him.

coded321 · 2020-10-31, 06:59

^ "well-liked" i.e name recognition because he was Obama's vp. For the political normies that make up most of the democrat base, that's really all you need. The pandemic was a godsend to biden's campaign. It allowed his team to effortlessly hide him away and limit his public appearances, all the while Trump flaied and self destructed. And his popularity only matters for the election, which is merely the first step. Its not as if everything goes back to normal once biden becomes president. Will his popularity magically fix the massive, long term damage Trump and the Republicans have caused to this country? Sure, it may win him the presidency, but will biden truly do the radical reforms that are necessary to undo the damage? Because if he doesn't, then what the hell was the point in voting for him?

Sheba · 2020-10-31, 07:08

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then what the hell was the point in voting for him

Because the alternative is a unhinged egocentric egostical sociopath worshipped by thousands of racist dipshits, drunk on conspiracy theories, who felt embolded by his mad unintelligible rants on Twitter?

Key Board · 2020-10-31, 07:43

We have 100,000 new covid infections per day in the US
in a country without universal healthcare

We're screwed either way, but removing Trump from office is the bare minimum if you want some kind of damage mitigation.

I wish more people realized by now that the executive seat isn't just symbolic. It has power.
I know some people are saying that Trump isn’t special and he’s just like any conservative president but I disagree.

Also, Expelling Trump doesn’t mean you’ll just pat yourself on the back and pretend everything will be fine. That’s just step one

//

SeijiSensei · 2020-10-31, 08:24

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Originally Posted by The Green One

I'm not holding my breath. Politicians are slaves to their constituents and tell them what they think they want to hear to earn votes.

That sensible view is stunningly undercut by the Republicans' refusal to act on another round of stimulus. To me, that's McConnell listening to his party's corporate and wealthy donors rather than their constituents. Polling shows 70-80% support for another stimulus bill. McConnell told Americans, "FU."

The cynical, but plausible view of these developments goes like this. McConnell knows that Trump will lose, and that the Democrats will likely flip the Senate as well. So he saw little incentive to pass another stimulus to help a President or a few freshman Republican Senators like Ernst. Rather he wants to burden Biden with a economy in the doldrums along with the pandemic. Of course the Republicans will do nothing to help the new Administration enact a stimulus of their own and will likely start to feign concern about the deficit and debt, subjects that they ignored during the Trump years.

Anh_Minh · 2020-10-31, 09:06

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Because if he doesn't, then what the hell was the point in voting for him?

So you get to vote again in 2024. Because while you can vote autocracy in, you can't vote it out.

mangamuscle · 2020-10-31, 09:09

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Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

Of course the Republicans will do nothing to help the new Administration enact a stimulus of their own and will likely start to feign concern about the deficit and debt, subjects that they ignored during the Trump years.

and the bush jr years and the bush senior years and the reagan years. It is amazing that republicans can weave that flag and people wont facepalm so hard they end doing a dogeza >_<

mangamuscle · 2020-10-31, 09:19

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

So you get to vote again in 2024. Because while you can vote autocracy in, you can't vote it out.

The title says "blind obedience"· The first line says "What had in common ....". The last line translates as "All of them were elected to office. That is why if democracy does not wants to die .... neither all the money, nor all the power (should be given to a president)".

Spoiler:

Guardian Enzo · 2020-10-31, 09:42

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So you get to vote again in 2024. Because while you can vote autocracy in, you can't vote it out.

That’s the nut of it right there.

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Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	We have 100,000 new covid infections per day in the US in a country without universal healthcare We're screwed either way, but removing Trump from office is the bare minimum if you want some kind of damage mitigation. I wish more people realized by now that the executive seat isn't just symbolic. It has power. I know some people are saying that Trump isn’t special and he’s just like any conservative president but I disagree. Also, Expelling Trump doesn’t mean you’ll just pat yourself on the back and pretend everything will be fine. That’s just step one // __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell Last edited by Key Board; 2020-10-31 at 08:21.

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coded321 He Who Games Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: the virtual world	Adding onto Majin's post, if biden does win, radical changes/reforms are the barest minimum he needs to do to repair the damage Trump has inflicted on government institutions. If Trump loses, do you really think he's going to transition peacefully? No he's going to do a scorched earth, leaving a charred mess of a government on the way out. So biden inherits a depleted federal workforce, an ongoing pandemic, a flailing economy with millions in unemployed and in poverty, an ultraconservative Supreme court, damaged international relationships, an all time high federal debt, climate change, etc. So radical reforms are barest minimum biden will need to do. And guess who's suddendly going to be blaming biden and the democrats for all the aforementioned issues? Republicans that's who. So that's the second thing biden and democrats must do, forgo any pretenses of bipartisanship or compromise, or political norms, or whatever unity bs. Obama spent 8 years reaching across the isle, only for Republicans to spit in his face. Biden better not make the same mistake.

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coded321 He Who Games Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: the virtual world	^hence why expanding the supreme court is an absolute necessity. The democrats can override any objections from the Republicans by simply pointing out this term and all the crap the Republicans pulled with the Supreme court.

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coded321 He Who Games Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: the virtual world	^ "well-liked" i.e name recognition because he was Obama's vp. For the political normies that make up most of the democrat base, that's really all you need. The pandemic was a godsend to biden's campaign. It allowed his team to effortlessly hide him away and limit his public appearances, all the while Trump flaied and self destructed. And his popularity only matters for the election, which is merely the first step. Its not as if everything goes back to normal once biden becomes president. Will his popularity magically fix the massive, long term damage Trump and the Republicans have caused to this country? Sure, it may win him the presidency, but will biden truly do the radical reforms that are necessary to undo the damage? Because if he doesn't, then what the hell was the point in voting for him?