(L) Shokugeki no Soma [Manga]

[bakato]

He's always done this. There are no real villains. Erina, Nikumi, Mimasaka, Kuga, the corrupt judges. Sure they seem antagonistic and even evil, but in the end they're all good guys.

[Dysprosium]

Originally Posted by bakato

He's always done this. There are no real villains. Erina, Nikumi, Mimasaka, Kuga, the corrupt judges. Sure they seem antagonistic and even evil, but in the end they're all good guys.

Right to the T.

I've said before all of them have had their moment of redemption, through cooking/food, and Azami wouldn't be spared from it, either.

The quick-fix solution would be for Jou to appear, but I don't think the author's gonna take that route.

[luffyxnami]

Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

Ehh.. To begin with, this whole "I don't have any obligation to accept your challenge" thing among the E10 has existed since Sen's days.

So it doesn't really change anything with Azami in charge.

You are forgetting something under sen's management something like bribing the judge like what eizan didn't wouldn't have even been possible while under Azami it's, which mean for all we know under sen there is some way that you can challenge the 10 but under Azami with him covering for them, it's pretty much impossible. This is why I see it as them siding with him purely cause they don't want to give up the all the power they have right now.

[DOmus]

Originally Posted by Log

Spoiler for my 2 cents:

This chapter and the Eizen arc has confirmed to me that the author is absolutely clueless on how to portray villains. Like you spend most of this arc building Azami up as this absolute bad guy that must be stopped at all costs and it turns out that the only reason he's doing the shit he's doing is due to "SEMPAI NOTCE ME". Like wtf kind of stupid motivation is that. If you're going to show him as some kind of edgy suave villain go all the way and just make him a absolute asshole who's doing it because he's a arrogant asshole that wants to rule the cooking world don't give him a sappy motivation like "I want to avenge sempai". Ewwwwwww.

A least the elite 10 looks cool I guess.

The fact that it was Erina's father set the whole deal of muhh Sempai TBH. The series was in a point that any kind of development for Erina was needed, and from her interactions and most of her panel time, the only strong material was the deal with Jou. If we take that point and then add a edgy-' muhhh elite'-father that was in the same generation as Jou(who is a free spirit), the clashing ideologies would be a good dynamic. But then he failed by making him a sort of fangirl. Another type of approach could have made the scenario a lot better.

The 'SEMPAI' was there, the NOTICE ME was the wrong decision.

[Dysprosium]

Originally Posted by luffyxnami

You are forgetting something under sen's management something like bribing the judge like what eizan didn't wouldn't have even been possible while under Azami it's, which mean for all we know under sen there is some way that you can challenge the 10 but under Azami with him covering for them, it's pretty much impossible. This is why I see it as them siding with him purely cause they don't want to give up the all the power they have right now.

Yes, under Azami, the policy has radically changed to suit his cooking views, but we're discussing on matters of the E10 here, which really hasn't drastically changed, at all.

They still can accept any challenge(s), if they want to.

Don't forget Azami already okay-ed Shokugeki(s) to determine the fate of the clubs/societies/seminars, rather than close them down without any form of resistance.

[YbKWzNEb]

Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

I've said before all of them have had their moment of redemption, through cooking/food, and Azami wouldn't be spared from it, either.

waiting for white Azami. i've already seen the white Nao.

[luffyxnami]

Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

Yes, under Azami, the policy has radically changed to suit his cooking views, but we're discussing on matters of the E10 here, which really hasn't drastically changed, at all.

They still can accept any challenge(s), if they want to.

Don't forget Azami already okay-ed Shokugeki(s) to determine the fate of the clubs/societies/seminars, rather than close them down without any form of resistance.

What are you talking about, in the past to be an elite 10 one have to challenge and beat one of the seat but now instead of being beaten in a battle all that happen is they got kick out do to majority vote and cause Azami said so then he further promoted 3 random ass people to the seat cause they follow him gather than base on how good their cooking is. Azami being okay with eizan cheating mean he is willing to change the shokugeki itself cause eizan wish for it and this speak much of how much backing eizan a follower of Azami have. If Azami full on change the structure of the school especially outright getting rid of the shokugeki and then he would have cause a revolt so in order to prevent that he is just making it seem like he is leaving it untouched.

Also I seriously doubt sen would allow the elite member to just refuse any battle for 3 years straight. I am pretty sure there is some requirement on the elite 10 too in the old system. But under Azami, that's pretty much gone.

[DOmus]

Originally Posted by YbKWzNEb

waiting for white Azami. i've already seen the white Nao.

Now that you say it, Nao would be a great ally for PSD. Her cooking style is definitely not what Central is looking for, plus, we can have more of her "hisako-oneesama"
She can be part of the revolution.

[Log]

Originally Posted by bakato

He's always done this. There are no real villains. Erina, Nikumi, Mimasaka, Kuga, the corrupt judges. Sure they seem antagonistic and even evil, but in the end they're all good guys.

I don't have a issue with that if the author hasn't portrayed and hyped him up to be some sort of child abusing devil that would fit better in Tokyo Ghoul only for it to turn out that he's butthurt that sempai doesn't give a shit about him. Like I didn't like his whole edgelord thing but if you're going to do it a least do it right and make him a over the top evil villain to suit his over the top portrayal. Don't suddenly give him a completely bullshit reason for acting like a cunt.

Originally Posted by DOmus

The fact that it was Erina's father set the whole deal of muhh Sempai TBH. The series was in a point that any kind of development for Erina was needed, and from her interactions and most of her panel time, the only strong material was the deal with Jou. If we take that point and then add a edgy-' muhhh elite'-father that was in the same generation as Jou(who is a free spirit), the clashing ideologies would be a good dynamic. But then he failed by making him a sort of fangirl. Another type of approach could have made the scenario a lot better.

The 'SEMPAI' was there, the NOTICE ME was the wrong decision.

Yea this is exactly the problem. There's no problem with sempai, there is a problem with the whole "NOTICE ME" thing. I'd rather it turn out that he completely hated everything about Jou's cooking and was a complete petty bastard about it which is why he wanted to get rid of the free style cooking. A least that way it would fit with how he's shown.

[Dysprosium]

Originally Posted by YbKWzNEb

waiting for white Azami. i've already seen the white Nao.

LOLOLOL.

And the post of the day award goes to you, Sir.

Originally Posted by luffyxnami

What are you talking about, in the past to be an elite 10 one have to challenge and beat one of the seat but now instead of being beaten in a battle all that happen is they got kick out do to majority vote and cause Azami said so then he further promoted 3 random ass people to the seat cause they follow him gather than base on how good their cooking is. Azami being okay with eizan cheating mean he is willing to change the shokugeki itself cause eizan wish for it and this speak much of how much backing eizan a follower of Azami have. If Azami full on change the structure of the school especially outright getting rid of the shokugeki and then he would have cause a revolt so in order to prevent that he is just making it seem like he is leaving it untouched.

Huh? We were talking about getting inside the E10, no?

No, the fact that he did that means he still invites challenges made to Central. For sure, we wouldn't see a repeat of Eizan's match.

[luffyxnami]

Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

Huh? We were talking about getting inside the E10, no?

No, the fact that he did that means he still invites challenges made to Central. For sure, we wouldn't see a repeat of Eizan's match.

Dude getting in and out is the same thing under his regiment, think about it. Even if someone beat one of his follower and earn a place in the 10, he can just pull the oh you are fire, the other 10s members also agree. How the hell does that show cooking is absolute in the academy like you claim?

Also under sen, he is not going to let the 10 just sit on their ass and refuse every challenges until they graduate. He would have some event that allow challenges to happen and we know the 10 have some obligation they have to fulfill then battle when need could have been one of them, if you think sen won't do it then you are delusional. But under Azami those events or requirement are gone as we can see this chapter, he don't want people who don't follow him into the 10 so why would he allow those event or requirement to stay?

[Dysprosium]

Originally Posted by luffyxnami

Dude getting in and out is the same thing under his regiment, think about it. Even if someone beat one of his follower and earn a place in the 10, he can just pull the oh you are fire, the other 10s members also agree. How the hell does that show cooking is absolute in the academy like you claim?

Also under sen, he is not going to let the 10 just sit on their ass and refuse every challenges until they graduate. He would have some event that allow challenges to happen and we know the 10 have some obligation they have to fulfill then battle when need could have been one of them, if you think sen won't do it then you are delusional. But under Azami those events or requirement are gone as we can see this chapter, he don't want people who don't follow him into the 10 so why would he allow those event or requirement to stay?

Because Azami believes his form of cooking is the absolute, and the ultimate. Same shit, different smell.

What event? Are you sure it even exists? You're not making things up in your head, aren't you? So who's the "delusional" one now?

[Diluc]

Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

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I am understand, Tootsuki is elite cooking academy, there cooking is everything plus SnS is cooking manga. The amount overrated treatment for cooking is something we could expected.

Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

You are totally missing the point.

For starters, I've already said cooking is king and absolute in the academy, which has been hammered home since day 1.

However my dissagrement is not pointing for the Tootsuki Element.

my rant is pointing out for author decision

Is it necessary to overthrown Sen by E10?

Why the author could not do with another route?
for Example:
1. Sue Senzamon, by using power of law Azami made himself as replacement for headmaster (This is the most legit reason)
2. Kidnap Senzamon, and use any reason the author could made he somewhat made Azami as the new headmaster.
or any kind feasible route.

Basically, the reason why i said it was BS because that was clearly nonsense and unnecessary. I take it the author wanted to display the true strength of E10 but he could done this after the announcement for Central plan.
If Senzaemon demoted was triggered by the demand of mass students in whole Tootsuki, i could have tolerance that, It represented the form how democracy work.

Think about, when you heard something like this would happened in real life most people would thoughts how stupid the school to implemented such power for their students.

[luffyxnami]

Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

Because Azami believes his form of cooking is the absolute, and the ultimate. Same shit, different smell.

What event? Are you sure it even exists? You're not making things up in your head, aren't you? So who's the "delusional" one now?

Ok, so you actually believe that sen would actually allow the E10 to sit on their ass and refuse every challenge until they graduate. If that it so then I have to said you lack comprehensive and analysis skill. It's like you can only take word from the manga as actually prove and can't use the evident around show in the manga to make judgement like seriously do the the manga have to spell out who saiba can beat out loud to you in order for you to actually realize it. You seem like one of those guy that would make claim like oh the manga never said jouchiro can beat shinomiya so he can't or oh it never said the lesbian girl who was a former e10 will lose to jou so jou is not a better cook then her. Geez dude, everything don't have to be spell out to you do they.

[Key Board]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

No i dont think thats it either. Jou strikes me as a free spirit the type who will do whatever he want whenever he wants however he wants.

If I had to guess is because leaving the school would make him grow even further as a chef

despite their propaganda, I kinda doubt the institution is the best in the world or even Japan

granted, saying "you learn more by leaving the echo chamber in your school and expanding your horizons" is a controversial and perhaps, un-Japanese statement to make

[DOmus]

Originally Posted by Roxis

1. Sue Senzamon, by using power of law Azami made himself as replacement for headmaster (This is the most legit reason)
2. Kidnap Senzamon, and use any reason the author could made he somewhat made Azami as the new headmaster.
or any kind feasible route.

Introducing law stuffs in this series will be a dumb move to be honest. The second point is even worst.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Log

I don't have a issue with that if the author hasn't portrayed and hyped him up to be some sort of child abusing devil that would fit better in Tokyo Ghoul only for it to turn out that he's butthurt that sempai doesn't give a shit about him. Like I didn't like his whole edgelord thing but if you're going to do it a least do it right and make him a over the top evil villain to suit his over the top portrayal. Don't suddenly give him a completely bullshit reason for acting like a cunt.

We don't know ANYTHING about his reasons and the author hasn't failed to give decent ones.

[luffyxnami]

Originally Posted by DOmus

Introducing law stuffs in this series will be a dumb move to be honest. The second point is even worst.

Wouldn't challenging him to a shokugeki for the position would have work and actually fitting with the theme of the manga?

[Diluc]

Originally Posted by DOmus

Introducing law stuffs in this series will be a dumb move to be honest. The second point is even worst.

That was just example that is why i had included etc ( or any kind feasible route.)
For at least, using law is official way in the society , although Azami may would sue Sen with any of his bad scheme.
I see your point about kidnapping, it matter for how to expended

[DOmus]

Originally Posted by luffyxnami

Wouldn't challenging him to a shokugeki for the position would have work and actually fitting with the theme of the manga?

Asami never had in mind going through the traditional stuffs. What's the point of doing a shokugeki if you are going to disable it later.
By taking the power in that way he supported his point that thinks will be in his way(though later Souma changed the situation).